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Re: Goodbye, EdgeHTML

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Post by tptacek »

lucideer wrote: post #261
tptacek wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does it prioritize privacy? I haven't used Firefox in a long time, so my impressions of it are based on news stories, like them launching a partnership with sketchy VPN services or building in "easter egg" advertisements for television shows.

Firefox is still very imperfect in their prioritising of privacy, but when we're looking at the question of "use Chrome or Firefox", that's hardly significant in comparison. I'm curious what you're using currently if Firefox's privacy imperfections are of concern? Safari?

I use Chrome, because security is my top concern.

(Firefox has a good security team, but Chrome's is unmatched.)

Re: Goodbye, EdgeHTML

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Post by vxNsr »

int_19h wrote: post #251
dragonwriter wrote: post #200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Bernie Sanders is not a Democrat. Bernie Sanders is occasionally a Democrat; particularly, he was when running for President in 2016 and almost certainly will be if he runs for President in 2020; as a Senator he is “merely” an independent who caucuses with the Democrats, doesn't have the Democratic Party support candidates against him, and is the Democratic caucus’s ranking member of the Senate Banking Committee.

I think the important part is that he doesn't have personal connections either directly with the industry lobbyists, or with prominent Dem leadership figures who do. So he can afford to ignore the lobbying.

This is demonstrably false. He's in the pocket of industry just like any other politician.

Re: Goodbye, EdgeHTML

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Post by tptacek »

Someone1234 wrote: post #274
tptacek wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This has been a first-class Chrome feature for years, for whatever it's worth.

That isn't the case. Chrome supports multiple profiles. Mozilla's Multi-Account Container tabs isn't multiple profits. It is multiple isolated containers running under the same profile, in the same browser window. A closer analogy would be if Chrome allowed each tab to have its own profile, rather than each window, and for each one to be lighter weight than a full profile.

Your sibling comment pointed out the same thing. Other than having 2 tabs in the same window with 2 different sets of cookies, which is something I never want (but you might), is there anything Firefox's feature gets me that Chrome's feature doesn't?

Re: Goodbye, EdgeHTML

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Post by ekianjo »

WeAreGoingIn wrote: post #239
Someone1234 wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The best thing about Firefox is Mozilla's Multi-Account Container tabs[0]. Essentially it allows you to put different tabs into different light-weight profiles, with their own session, cookies, and state. That means if you want to log into Facebook but don't want Facebook following you online, just give Facebook its own container. Mozilla has anti-tracking already baked in, but Multi-Account Containers are a whole ot…

The best thing about FF is about:config. It tunes in to the legacy of Netscape and Amiga where you could and can configure everything to how you like it. This is freedom, unlike chromium.

Looks like you don't know about chrome://flags/

Re: Goodbye, EdgeHTML

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Post by mavsman »

turblety wrote: post #226

I really wish Mozilla would work on making their Gecko engine (or whatever backend they use now) more usable to external developers. WebKit always seems very easy for developers to integrate into their apps. Whether you think it's a good or bad move, Electron has made building cross platform desktop applications a lot easier. It's a shame it must use Chromium and V8. In fairness Mozilla used to have XUL [1] until it…

Amen to this. There was the open source project that was essentially a Gecko version of Electron but of course it was very alpha and eventually was deprecated and abandoned.

Perhaps the gold standard of Electron would allow you to choose the engine and then build a native/browser app based on that.

Re: Goodbye, EdgeHTML

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Post by mixedCase »

davidp wrote: post #19

Seriously, switch to Firefox. It's good again, and prioritizes privacy.[0] After Chrome's forced-sign-in debacle [1] I switched away from Chrome on all my platforms (Windows, Linux, Android) and haven't missed a thing. [0]: https://hacks.mozilla.org/2018/11/firefox-sync-privacy/ [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18055161

> It's good again

No it's not. It's frequently hanging certain tabs which I'm forced to close and reopen because I get the grey spinner and my 8 core machine grinds down to a halt.

On Android when opening the embedded webview powered by Firefox, whether the page will load without being forced to open it in the full browser is a coin toss.

It doesn't help that Mozilla has lost most of my goodwill by being such a mixed bag when it comes to politics and decision making the past few years.

I still use it, because I like that a part of the company is trying to move the needle forward in browser tech, I find container tabs better than Chromium profiles and up until recently I could get bypass paywalls without workarounds, but unless things improve by the time Brave moves the Chromium fork out of beta, I'm moving to Brave.

Re: Goodbye, EdgeHTML

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Post by IvanK_net »

stefs wrote: post #163
IvanK_net wrote: post #54

Mozilla. What a great, open and free place, where you can't write your opinion under articles.

i feel like it's quite sensible today to offload comments to the various platforms that exist mostly to provide comments on articles. i, for one, usually go for the HN comments even before reading the websites own.

You can write comments at https://chromereleases.googleblog.com/

Re: Goodbye, EdgeHTML

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Post by russley »

cududa wrote: post #23
nightski wrote: post #4

It makes me wonder if at any point in the process Microsoft approached Firefox over integrating their rendering engine vs. Chromium and if so, what the factors were in making their final decision. I also wonder if instead of "ceding" control to Google, Microsoft intends to start being a major contributor to Chromium, so much so that it almost becomes a joint effort vs. Google dominance.

Everyone seems to be missing that this is Microsoft’s tacit recognition that Electron is the future of apps. Electron has abysmal performance and doesn’t work on ARM. This is them fixing fundamental chromium issues, to improve Electron performance and give themselves a further wedge beyond TypeScript

This is it. Even more specifically: https://twitter.com/SwiftOnSecurity/status/10708221567313223...

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Re: Goodbye, EdgeHTML

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Post by IvanK_net »

gsnedders wrote: post #110
IvanK_net wrote: post #97

I don't think that Edge switching to Chromium means, that Edge will become "a slave" of Google. Until now, Chromium has been strongly driven by one huge player: Google. Now, it can become driven by two huge players. It can erase the monopoly of Google over Chromium. Or if they have too many disputes, Microsoft can "fork" Chromium (like Google "forked" WebKit into Blink) and make their own, even better Chromium (Micro…

The Edge team is a fraction of the size of the Chrome team.

I think that the number of people in Google contributing to Chromium is much smaller, than the number of people in MS working on Edge.

Many Chromium contributors are enthusiasts, who don't get paid for it. They would not mind working on Microsoft's fork instead of Google's fork.

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