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Goodbye, EdgeHTML

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Re: Goodbye, EdgeHTML

#191

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This has been a first-class Chrome feature for years, for whatever it's worth.

Multiple profiles in Chrome is super useful, but it doesn't work at the tab level, does it? Just at the window level? Not that that's a fundamental change, but it's a nice usability bump

True, but that for me is a feature (I almost always want new tabs to open in the same container; for instance, when reviewing a Github PR and clicking through to see context).

But from a privacy UX perspective, both Chrome and Firefox accommodate this use case gracefully.

Re: Goodbye, EdgeHTML

#192

I now use FF at home for one simple reason. Two people at home using two different Google accounts and need to switch between them. In Chrome it decides one of those is the 'logged in account' and the name shows in the browser bar. It is then the default every time you open say a new GMail etc. That is so annoying. This doesn't seem to happen in Firefox!

That's what the "People" menu is for in Chrome. If you have multiple people at home, then they can get their own bookmarks, search histories, etc.

Re: Goodbye, EdgeHTML

#194
Firefox once again holds its own when it comes to speed and performance. Try Firefox as your default browser for a week and then decide.

Challenge accepted.

A week later, after having set Firefox to default on my systems and working with it, I decided that:

* There's still no good replacement for DownThemAll or Tree Style Tabs (the gimped, non-feature-complete alternatives to those are not acceptable alternatives),

* That the unfixed dupe SSL cert problem that makes Firefox unusable at work is going on a decade old and has no movement on it,

* That Mozilla deciding what I can install in the browser is an infringement on my freedoms as a user in a much more real way than philosophical concerns about licensing (no, running a fork of the browser is not an acceptable alternative)

* That they keep making extremely questionable decisions regarding privacy, telemetry, and overall user control over those things,

And overall:

* That Mozilla's stated commitment to empowering the user cannot be trusted inasmuch as it applies to people with strong computer literacy.

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So for now, I stay on Chrome. Your choice of web browser comes to to functional concerns, not the kind of political wankery that this blog post represents. With that in mind, why would I choose something that's basically Chrome that offers maybe one or two useful additional features, but is basically worse in every other way?

Speaking of which:

>That’s what happened when Microsoft had a monopoly on browsers in the early 2000s before Firefox was released. And it could happen again.

This is bald faced fearmongering, edging dangerously close to maliciously lying. The main problem with IE6 of the day is that it is closed source and very difficult to interoperate with, given its rather special take on web standards.

Chromium is open source and can be forked given the will to do so - which will happen should this doomsday scenario they're predicting come about. Hell, Firefox was responsible for ultimately unseating IE as the browser of choice a long while ago, and they did not have this advantage.

Say what you want about Google/Chrome(ium)'s motivations, but I see very little in the way of things they do that go out of their way to make my life miserable. They're hardly perfect or blameless, but at the end of the day, I've spent a lot more time cursing at Firefox than Chrome.

What it boils down to is that firefox is dead to me until they are cured of the dread GNOME disease of deciding they know better than the people who use their software what the people who use their software want and need. You know, priorities. Like making the actual browser better, rather than shoveling in crapware like https://testpilot.firefox.com/experiments/price-wise and ancillary, niche garbage like WebVR. There are a hell of a lot of questionable resource allocation decisions being made here.

I'm looking at Vivaldi with a great amount of hope:

>Your browser matters. Take control with Vivaldi. We live in our browsers. Choose one that has the features you need, a style that fits and values you can stand by.

This is a philosophy that is a breath of fresh air to me.

Re: Goodbye, EdgeHTML

#195
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I still see zero benefit to me, today , to use Firefox.

They keep breaking extensions. I am sick of Firefox now.

They don't keep breaking extensions. They HAD TO drop XUL, because you couldn't have multi-process, sandboxing etc. with it.

I bet if they kept XUL, people would complain about the other things, in Fact they used to.

Re: Goodbye, EdgeHTML

#196

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The best thing about Firefox is Mozilla's Multi-Account Container tabs[0]. Essentially it allows you to put different tabs into different light-weight profiles, with their own session, cookies, and state. That means if you want to log into Facebook but don't want Facebook following you online, just give Facebook its own container. Mozilla has anti-tracking already baked in, but Multi-Account Containers are a whole ot…

Chrome has this too. I doubt its effectiveness as there are ways to fingerprint your browser without using cookies/sessions

Exactly! unless they make different seed for each WebGL random (which used in fingerprinting) I don't see the point. Plus, they have your IP (or your VPN's), so at most you make your profile less specific, but never "isolated".

Re: Goodbye, EdgeHTML

#197
post #135

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Dropping XUL was necessary and if anything, should have been done earlier. I disagree they didn't "have a credible alternative lined up". Are you upset over extensions breaking? There was a long , extremely long deprecation period and afaik Mozilla helped addon authors move over. They had to make the cut at some point, tbh.

I wrote some extensions myself over the years, all my time writing those extensions went down the drain.

I'm sorry you feel that way. I've written Firefox extensions as well. Also, I've written software using GTK2, Python 2.4, Django 0.9, a bazillion JS libraries that no longer exist. I've written code for games that have shut down. I've written code that I backed up on CD roms that are no longer readable. Hell I've written plenty of code that never even worked in the first place.

I don't feel like any of this time went "down the drain". Why do you? Software doesn't usually last forever.

Re: Goodbye, EdgeHTML

#199
post #19

Seriously, switch to Firefox. It's good again, and prioritizes privacy.[0] After Chrome's forced-sign-in debacle [1] I switched away from Chrome on all my platforms (Windows, Linux, Android) and haven't missed a thing. [0]: https://hacks.mozilla.org/2018/11/firefox-sync-privacy/ [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18055161

The best thing about Firefox is Mozilla's Multi-Account Container tabs[0]. Essentially it allows you to put different tabs into different light-weight profiles, with their own session, cookies, and state. That means if you want to log into Facebook but don't want Facebook following you online, just give Facebook its own container. Mozilla has anti-tracking already baked in, but Multi-Account Containers are a whole ot…

I wish the addon would sync its container configuration accross Firefox Sync. Setting my containers manually on the multiple computers I use daily is a real pain in the ass.

Re: Goodbye, EdgeHTML

#200
post #140

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”This is why I’m already on board for Barack Obama 2008.” But the tech industry is a key contributor for any democratic contender, so I don’t expect much progress here. Might still be the right choice though, but I don’t think this is the issue where you should turn your hopes on the democrats.

Bernie Sanders is not a Democrat.

> Bernie Sanders is not a Democrat.

Bernie Sanders is occasionally a Democrat; particularly, he was when running for President in 2016 and almost certainly will be if he runs for President in 2020; as a Senator he is “merely” an independent who caucuses with the Democrats, doesn't have the Democratic Party support candidates against him, and is the Democratic caucus’s ranking member of the Senate Banking Committee.

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