Goodbye, EdgeHTML • Hacker News Board

Re: Goodbye, EdgeHTML

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Post by bzbarsky » Thu, Dec 06, 2018, 10:39 PM UTC

purple_ducks wrote: post #49

What percentage of Mozilla revenues are spent on Firefox development?

Per https://assets.mozilla.net/annualreport/2017/mozilla-fdn-201... the breakdown seems to be as follows, rounding to the nearest percentage point:

50% directly spent on Firefox development.

12% spent on marketing (for comparison, rumor has it that Chrome's marketing spend is comparable to Mozilla's total revenue).

13% general and administrative expenses (this includes things like leases on office space, as far as I can tell from the usual definition of this category).

9% (of revenue; it's 36% of profit) income taxes. Which Mozilla apparently pays, unlike some other tech corporations.

16% money going into the rainy-day fund.

Disclaimer: I work for Mozilla; pardon my snark about taxes. It's a sore point.

Re: Goodbye, EdgeHTML

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Post by ksec » Thu, Dec 06, 2018, 10:39 PM UTC

fooey wrote: post #92

djmashko2 wrote: post #52

If I'm using Safari as my default browser, does it make sense to switch to Firefox just to support them? Interesting that Safari is not coming up in any of these articles as a third competitor, but maybe the fact that it's limited to Mac means it has very small market share.

Safari is awful on the scale of being a 2nd tier browser like IE. It's the browser people use because they don't know any better, or because they don't have any choice. Safari isn't a competitor with Chrome, Firefox, or Edge

So which part of it is awful?

Re: Goodbye, EdgeHTML

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Post by robto » Thu, Dec 06, 2018, 10:39 PM UTC

MistahKoala wrote: post #94

"If you care about about what’s happening with online life today, take another look at Firefox. It’s radically better than it was 18 months ago" Except it's not 'radically better' if you rely on extensions killed by Quantum and are unlikely to be updated because Firefox has such a small user base now. I want to go back to Firefox and give it a try, but sending a load of extensions to their deaths has made that signif…

I guess I don't really understand this. Even without the old extension apis, it's still more powerful than anything Chrome has to offer. You don't get the access you want, so you go to something with even less access?

Re: Goodbye, EdgeHTML

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Post by wutbrodo » Thu, Dec 06, 2018, 10:40 PM UTC

tptacek wrote: post #128

Someone1234 wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The best thing about Firefox is Mozilla's Multi-Account Container tabs[0]. Essentially it allows you to put different tabs into different light-weight profiles, with their own session, cookies, and state. That means if you want to log into Facebook but don't want Facebook following you online, just give Facebook its own container. Mozilla has anti-tracking already baked in, but Multi-Account Containers are a whole ot…

This has been a first-class Chrome feature for years, for whatever it's worth.

Multiple profiles in Chrome is super useful, but it doesn't work at the tab level, does it? Just at the window level? Not that that's a fundamental change, but it's a nice usability bump

Re: Goodbye, EdgeHTML

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Post by cronix » Thu, Dec 06, 2018, 10:40 PM UTC

tyteen4a03 wrote: post #165

rehemiau wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many people won't switch because either Firefox is slow on their platform (MacOS) or stuff they use are slow on Firefox (Google ecosystem, many other webapps optimized for Chrome)

Yep, can confirm that FF is still killing my 2014 MBP.

Strange, it runs just as fast as Chrome on my 2013 MBP

Re: Goodbye, EdgeHTML

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Post by simonh » Thu, Dec 06, 2018, 10:40 PM UTC

I am worried about Chromium gaining too much control over de facto browser standards, but bear in mind Chrome started as a fork of WebKit. There’s nothing to stop MS diverging the code base and making it distinctly their own.

I wonder if this is about Microsoft making a cross platform browser?

Re: Goodbye, EdgeHTML

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Post by unsignedint » Thu, Dec 06, 2018, 10:41 PM UTC

natex wrote: post #166

davidp wrote: post #19

Seriously, switch to Firefox. It's good again, and prioritizes privacy.[0] After Chrome's forced-sign-in debacle [1] I switched away from Chrome on all my platforms (Windows, Linux, Android) and haven't missed a thing. [0]: https://hacks.mozilla.org/2018/11/firefox-sync-privacy/ [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18055161

I've been trying to use Firefox at work for years. It doesn't work well in my company's intranet (lots of Sharepoint). Random pieces of the the company website do not show up and I get way too many certificate warnings. Chrome, Edge, and IE work fine. Firefox hasn't worked through 2 iterations of our intranet over the course of 10+ years.

I think the reason is probably network.negotiate-auth.delegation-uris and network.negotiate-auth.trusted-uris in about:config, and your authentication is failing.

Since Chrome, Edge, and IE uses Windows certificate infrastructure and Firefox uses its own, it won't understand directive perhaps pushed through your company's group policy. You can specify address of your intranet site, in style of https://.example.com (where subdomain of example.com is covered in this case) and it should work.

As for certificate, is it using internal certificate of some sort? If that's the case, you will have to load it to Firefox's NSS.

Re: Goodbye, EdgeHTML

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Post by gronne » Thu, Dec 06, 2018, 10:41 PM UTC

DoreenMichele wrote: post #134

gronne wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

MS is infamous for ignoring and/or breaking standards. Using your market powers to lock users in to your own proprietary (modified copies of open) standars are NOT beneficial to anyone but MS.

I guess we will have to agree to disagree. My understanding is MS basically brought the world the personal computer. You and I probably couldn't have this argument had they never set out to get filthy rich and yadda. The world would likely be a very different place and I personally think that alternate timeline wouldn't be all upside. I don't think it would be some eutopia that we stupidly missed out on by failing to…

Unless you are saying that “EEE” and being destructive is a necessary condition to being successfull I don’t see how that comment is relevant to the issue with standards I addressed.

Re: Goodbye, EdgeHTML

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Post by ksec » Thu, Dec 06, 2018, 10:41 PM UTC

bzbarsky wrote: post #181

purple_ducks wrote: post #49

What percentage of Mozilla revenues are spent on Firefox development?

Per https://assets.mozilla.net/annualreport/2017/mozilla-fdn-201... the breakdown seems to be as follows, rounding to the nearest percentage point: 50% directly spent on Firefox development. 12% spent on marketing (for comparison, rumor has it that Chrome's marketing spend is comparable to Mozilla's total revenue). 13% general and administrative expenses (this includes things like leases on office space, as far as I…

Why do they pay tax when they are from what I know partly non profits?

Re: Goodbye, EdgeHTML

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Post by Daegalus » Thu, Dec 06, 2018, 10:41 PM UTC

I tried switching to Firefox twice after Quantum came out. I LOVE LOVE container tabs (which chrome had them, not just profiles).

Only reason I came back is their Android browser kinda sucks. Addons constantly crash in the mobile browser, and its not integrated well with the password manager APIs and other stuff. It was a pain in the ass to use.

Their auto-fill sucks compared to Google's and just overall if I take out container tabs, Firefox just doesn't work for me like Chrome does. So I switched back, installed SessionBox, and while not perfect, gets close to container tabs.