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Goodbye, EdgeHTML

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Re: Goodbye, EdgeHTML

#101
post #13

I still see zero benefit to me, today , to use Firefox.

Firefox has some nice features that are fundamentally at odds with Google's business model so highly unlikely to ever land in Chrome. Reader mode, container tabs, and tracking protection are probably my favorites.

Re: Goodbye, EdgeHTML

#102
post #19

Seriously, switch to Firefox. It's good again, and prioritizes privacy.[0] After Chrome's forced-sign-in debacle [1] I switched away from Chrome on all my platforms (Windows, Linux, Android) and haven't missed a thing. [0]: https://hacks.mozilla.org/2018/11/firefox-sync-privacy/ [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18055161

I moved away due to the battery drain issues on OSX, has that been addressed?

Based on this bug and some of the related ones, the answer seems to be no.

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1404042

Until then I'm stuck with Opera/Safari/Chrome, mostly in that order.

Re: Goodbye, EdgeHTML

#103
post #8

If anyone told me a decade ago that a day will come when I will feel sorry for Microsoft browser technology going away...

as a frontender I'm not sad. A lot of bugs coming in from Edge. And Edge has a pretty shit debugger too. So no tears for me. Waiting for Safari to die. Firefox and Chrome are good.

Re: Goodbye, EdgeHTML

#104
post #73

Seems so sad that Mozilla is literally begging people to give Firefox a try. Even if someone believes that the browser Game of Thrones seems to go to Google, I cannot see how anyone would settle for the second-best choice especially when everything is FREE.. They plainly admit that Firefox can just hold it’s own and it is still NOT the fastest and best browser experience out there. When I launch Chrome I just get thi…

> They plainly admit that Firefox can just hold it’s own and it is still NOT the fastest and best browser experience out there. The reason why is that those are complex judgements rather than easily measured objective facts. Browsers are extremely complex and what “fastest” means depends on what you're measuring and where it's running. Chrome's memory usage is a great example — if you have tons of RAM and nothing els…

How much of what you say is due to the “extremely complex” rendering engine and how much to just “simple” app design?

Re: Goodbye, EdgeHTML

#105
post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's too bad Microsoft didn't get broken up in the 90s. We'd probably have more browser options.

I'm not sure that vision is all upside. Microsoft de facto provided some industry standardization. I am always reminded of when fire departments couldn't help other cities because their equipment wasn't compatible. This was so disastrous that we introduced standardization for sizes of hoses, connectors, etc. I am not aware of anyone protesting such standardization the way we routinely think it's a terrible thing in o…

MS is infamous for ignoring and/or breaking standards. Using your market powers to lock users in to your own proprietary (modified copies of open) standars are NOT beneficial to anyone but MS.

Re: Goodbye, EdgeHTML

#106
post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Using Google's browser engine still gives them a lot of control, even if you aren't using their trimmings.

True that. I wish they removed all Google stuff from Chromium and only use it in Chrome. Seems like the only fair thing to do imo.

That kind of exists, but it's still giving Google power because it relies on their software. It basically makes it really difficult for anyone to shape how the web works besides Google, since no one has any browser market share.

For example, WebAssembly started out as a Mozilla project. What if Mozilla didn't exist, or Firefox didn't have any market share? It would never have been created. Think of all the accumulated features/innovations that could exist over the next few years that might not if the only browser engine being used is controlled by a single company.

Re: Goodbye, EdgeHTML

#107
post #19

Seriously, switch to Firefox. It's good again, and prioritizes privacy.[0] After Chrome's forced-sign-in debacle [1] I switched away from Chrome on all my platforms (Windows, Linux, Android) and haven't missed a thing. [0]: https://hacks.mozilla.org/2018/11/firefox-sync-privacy/ [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18055161

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Re: Goodbye, EdgeHTML

#108

Seems so sad that Mozilla is literally begging people to give Firefox a try. Even if someone believes that the browser Game of Thrones seems to go to Google, I cannot see how anyone would settle for the second-best choice especially when everything is FREE.. They plainly admit that Firefox can just hold it’s own and it is still NOT the fastest and best browser experience out there. When I launch Chrome I just get thi…

Sample size of one: i7 laptop, 16 GB of RAM, nothing else running Chrome: ~45 seconds to become usable, blank white window appears at 5 seconds into that wait time and just sits there Firefox: ~10 seconds to become usable

You launch vanilla Chrome and you wait 45 seconds to be able to do anything? How is that even possible

Re: Goodbye, EdgeHTML

#109
I am Firefox user for more than 15 years. I personally would prefer Firefox codebase to be adopted. I think Mozilla is the only big organization left who is pro-customer.

But let's be realistic, people want things to "just work". People in general are not bothered by privacy or security, but if funny cat picture can't load that's huge problem. People in general were moving from IE because it's shitty laggish software, not because it was not secure or was sending telemetry. So adopting Blink/WebKit is right business decision, because it makes customers happy, because a lot of sites are developed with only Chrome in mind. Bootstrap and friends support Firefox, it's true, but many actual sites with custom non-framework HTML/CSS do not. Some bugs are negligible, some are not. But what is 0.5% of all web sites for Microsoft? A huge deal, let's accept this.

Google Chrome has enterprise version which already supports Active Directory Group Policy, so corporate customers will be happy too.

What can Firefox offer today? Frameworks support Firefox and Firefox supports standards well. I genuinely believe that google Chrome in 2020 will be like IE6 in 2010 and rust based codebase will be superior by all means, easier to maintain and faster to execute. But I am very naive and optimistic about Firefox, because I simply love this browser.

Re: Goodbye, EdgeHTML

#110

I don't think that Edge switching to Chromium means, that Edge will become "a slave" of Google. Until now, Chromium has been strongly driven by one huge player: Google. Now, it can become driven by two huge players. It can erase the monopoly of Google over Chromium. Or if they have too many disputes, Microsoft can "fork" Chromium (like Google "forked" WebKit into Blink) and make their own, even better Chromium (Micro…

The Edge team is a fraction of the size of the Chrome team.
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