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Goodbye, EdgeHTML

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Re: Goodbye, EdgeHTML

#81
post #19

Seriously, switch to Firefox. It's good again, and prioritizes privacy.[0] After Chrome's forced-sign-in debacle [1] I switched away from Chrome on all my platforms (Windows, Linux, Android) and haven't missed a thing. [0]: https://hacks.mozilla.org/2018/11/firefox-sync-privacy/ [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18055161

I keep them both installed, for the rare occasion when some web app or other only works performantly on one of them.

Re: Goodbye, EdgeHTML

#82
post #55
post #19

Seriously, switch to Firefox. It's good again, and prioritizes privacy.[0] After Chrome's forced-sign-in debacle [1] I switched away from Chrome on all my platforms (Windows, Linux, Android) and haven't missed a thing. [0]: https://hacks.mozilla.org/2018/11/firefox-sync-privacy/ [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18055161

I want to love FF, I really do! But the fact that it causes my CPU usage to go through the roof every couple of minutes for no apparent reason makes me want to pull my hair out...

funny, I could say the same about chromium (except the wanting to love it part)

Re: Goodbye, EdgeHTML

#83
post #65

Firefox lost me with the whole XUL fiasco. Breaking peoples workflows before they had a credible alternative lined up was highly unprofessional. I was an enthusiastic Firefox user until the XUL retirement.

Dropping XUL was necessary and if anything, should have been done earlier. I disagree they didn't "have a credible alternative lined up".

Are you upset over extensions breaking? There was a long, extremely long deprecation period and afaik Mozilla helped addon authors move over. They had to make the cut at some point, tbh.

Re: Goodbye, EdgeHTML

#84
post #4

It makes me wonder if at any point in the process Microsoft approached Firefox over integrating their rendering engine vs. Chromium and if so, what the factors were in making their final decision. I also wonder if instead of "ceding" control to Google, Microsoft intends to start being a major contributor to Chromium, so much so that it almost becomes a joint effort vs. Google dominance.

i, too, was wondering about that. pretty sure MS could have a bigger (and probably more positive) impact - and thus control - by adding manpower to the development of firefox/quantum than chromium/blink.

i feel the biggest players now have all carved out their public niche - they're afraid to directly challenge the leader with big words and marketing millions. ms doesn't have to "beat" google or mozilla anymore.

they're competing on a secondary, less visible level - at least for the retail consumer - like cloud computing and AI; the public fights are less heated than they were a couple of years ago.

still, i feel like a company like microsoft wouldn't give up the chance to influence that easily. so why choose blink over quantum? mozilla might be "morally superior" to google, and thus less likely to be influenced by anticompetitive behaviour. but google wont tolerate anything from MS that could hurt their own efforts.

Re: Goodbye, EdgeHTML

#85
post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's too bad Microsoft didn't get broken up in the 90s. We'd probably have more browser options.

It's too bad Google isn't being broken up now.

This is why I'm already on board for Bernie Sanders 2020. I don't think any other contender out there is going to stand up to these giant companies, which is what our economy desperately needs.

Re: Goodbye, EdgeHTML

#86

Seems so sad that Mozilla is literally begging people to give Firefox a try. Even if someone believes that the browser Game of Thrones seems to go to Google, I cannot see how anyone would settle for the second-best choice especially when everything is FREE.. They plainly admit that Firefox can just hold it’s own and it is still NOT the fastest and best browser experience out there. When I launch Chrome I just get thi…

Sample size of one:

i7 laptop, 16 GB of RAM, nothing else running

Chrome: ~45 seconds to become usable, blank white window appears at 5 seconds into that wait time and just sits there

Firefox: ~10 seconds to become usable

Re: Goodbye, EdgeHTML

#87
post #59
post #8

If anyone told me a decade ago that a day will come when I will feel sorry for Microsoft browser technology going away...

It's too bad Microsoft didn't get broken up in the 90s. We'd probably have more browser options.

More browsers with bugs to work around. What a nightmare.

Re: Goodbye, EdgeHTML

#88
I use Firefox exclusively and am not happy with how the browser market is shaping up.

For all of you that have a "last 10%" problem with Firefox (i.e. "I'd use Firefox if only it had X or Y feature"), please consider if that's worth contributing to the monoculture of rendering engines, and worth extending Google's monopoly on Internet standards.

Re: Goodbye, EdgeHTML

#89

With Edge using Chromium, is data still going to Google like this blog posts says? Chromium is the open source version minus the proprietary services and codecs[0]. What am I missing? [0] https://www.howtogeek.com/202825/what’s-the-difference-betwe...

You aren't missing anything. The author is (deliberately?) confusing Google Chrome, the Chromium project, and the Blink rendering engine.

My understanding is that Microsoft is planning on adopting some components of Chromium (certainly including Blink, unclear how much else) for future versions of Edge.

Re: Goodbye, EdgeHTML

#90
post #4

It makes me wonder if at any point in the process Microsoft approached Firefox over integrating their rendering engine vs. Chromium and if so, what the factors were in making their final decision. I also wonder if instead of "ceding" control to Google, Microsoft intends to start being a major contributor to Chromium, so much so that it almost becomes a joint effort vs. Google dominance.

Microsoft would have to consider the long term: What will Chromium and Gecko/Firefox look like in 5 and 10 years? Which is more likely to provide the technology that Microsoft expects to need? Microsoft can't just switch engines every couple of years. Some back-of-the-napkin analysis:

* Vendor stability is one issue: While I doubt Mozilla will go out of business, Google clearly is a very safe bet.

* Which vendor will invest more in keeping the technology up to date? Google, due to its vast resources, seems like a safe bet to invest more money and engineer hours. Mozilla, however, will certainly make the web browser the center of its attention and top priority; Google has a lot on its plate (and Microsoft knows how browser tech can drift for years without top management attention).

* Which browser is most likely to maintain compatibility with websites and web apps, including corporate ones? Google is the obvious choice.

* Which vendor's engineering priorities most align with Microsoft's? I'm not sure. Google has their own priorities - a front end for Google's services, which compete directly with many of Microsoft's - but Google seems more focused on the corporate market. On the other hand, Mozilla's focus on privacy and end user control could easily conflict with Microsoft's priorities.

* And of course, which browser fits best in Microsoft's immediate browser plans and has the cleanest upgrade path from Edge/IE? I have no idea.

I'm a dedicated user and supporter of Firefox and Mozilla, but I can see reasons Microsoft might choose Chromium.

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