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Re: Microsoft Edge and open source collaboration

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Post by cududa »

no_wizard wrote: post #118

I'm still shocked that they went the Chromium route here. This would have been their chance to really, well, for lack of a better way of putting it: stick it to Google [0] I think it would have been far, far more impressive to use Quantum ( https://wiki.mozilla.org/Quantum ) or WebKit ( https://webkit.org ), with the added benefit that nw.js is already up and going for the Webkit engine (and likely would have suffice…

This move is about electron. Offering a drop in replacement that doesn’t brutalize you on perf and battery life

Re: Microsoft Edge and open source collaboration

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Post by negativegate »

mrpippy wrote: post #159
mrpippy wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed. I see zero chance that Edge will suddenly be ported back to Windows 7. And it would be almost as big of a shock if the Chromium-based Edge is not UWP.

I stand corrected--this is exactly what they're going to do. Take Win32 Chromium, rename it Edge, and build it for Win7, 8, and 10. What a huge blow to everyone at MS who believes in UWP. https://www.theverge.com/2018/12/6/18128648/microsoft-edge-c...

Maybe there will still be a UWP version on Windows 10?

Re: Microsoft Edge and open source collaboration

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Post by bnastic »

techsupporter wrote: post #209
nemothekid wrote: post #192

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It's also hard. Despite the complaints of Google dominance, Chrome is just a really good browser. I tried to switch to Firefox Quantum earlier this year as my daily driver. I had some minor annoyances, but I ended up switching back to Chrome for the devtools.

Web dev tools are something I have to take people's word for (and, to be clear, have no reason to doubt) since I don't do that kind of work so I have no clue what makes for good tools versus bad ones. But, my overall point still stands: If this is such a major failing in Firefox, is there nobody passionate enough to help keep a browser--that lots of people claim to want to use but for those tools--up to par with the…

The original “wow!” development tool for Firefox wasn’t event developed by them, if I recall correctly - Firebug was just an extension, developed by one guy, but the extendion system and developers’ interest in platform were in place

Re: Microsoft Edge and open source collaboration

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Post by pjmlp »

moogly wrote: post #220
mrpippy wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I stand corrected--this is exactly what they're going to do. Take Win32 Chromium, rename it Edge, and build it for Win7, 8, and 10. What a huge blow to everyone at MS who believes in UWP. https://www.theverge.com/2018/12/6/18128648/microsoft-edge-c...

> What a huge blow to everyone at MS who believes in UWP. That may be so, but is there anyone outside of MS who believes in UWP? Not even stalwart MS exclusive devs seem to do so.

Adobe XD is a UWP app.

Re: Microsoft Edge and open source collaboration

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Post by pjmlp »

mrpippy wrote: post #159
mrpippy wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed. I see zero chance that Edge will suddenly be ported back to Windows 7. And it would be almost as big of a shock if the Chromium-based Edge is not UWP.

I stand corrected--this is exactly what they're going to do. Take Win32 Chromium, rename it Edge, and build it for Win7, 8, and 10. What a huge blow to everyone at MS who believes in UWP. https://www.theverge.com/2018/12/6/18128648/microsoft-edge-c...

Why should it be a blow?

The fact is that if they want to support Windows 7, 8.1 and macOS it naturally cannot be kept as UWP app, as their infrastructure requires Windows 10 features.

Re: Microsoft Edge and open source collaboration

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Post by pjmlp »

copperx wrote: post #7
MikusR wrote: post #2

In short. Edge engine is dead. Based on Chromium. Not an UWP. Will be on Windows 7 and Mac.

If Edge comes to Linux it will be the second ice age in hell.

Once upon a time there was an IE version for Solaris.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Explorer_for_UNIX

Re: Microsoft Edge and open source collaboration

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Post by BinaryIdiot »

egeozcan wrote: post #13

If Microsoft knew that Edge in its current state is inferior, why did they try so hard to make every windows user switch to it? I mean there was this "startup growth hacking" kind of craziness from a corporation and sudden admittance of defeat... It's very confusing. Edit: We all know why they want everyone to switch don't we, but think about all the now admittedly false marketing! It's not like they stopped the aggr…

> f Microsoft knew that Edge in its current state is inferior, why did they try so hard to make every windows user switch to it?

Because it's not inferior in all ways? Edge has far better support for anything touch (Firefox and Chrome as still awful in this respect) and the battery life using Edge is far better than any of the other browsers.

I'm always forced to use Edge at times because of how much better those aspects are, even though other things are worse.

I also wonder if this is why they're going with Chromium; they can work on getting better touch and battery life on Windows built into the thing.

Re: Microsoft Edge and open source collaboration

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Post by Yoric »

tree_of_item wrote: post #200
pcwalton wrote: post #123

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So whether the Web can run on Rust-based parallel engine components should be beholden to the reporting structure at Google? Let's be clear: that is the future you are advocating.

Is Microsoft not capable of adding whatever they like to Chromium? I don't understand.

Why would they be?

The owner of the repo is Google. Google gets last word on anything Microsoft wants to include in Chromium/Edge.

Re: Microsoft Edge and open source collaboration

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Post by Yoric »

sureaboutthis wrote: post #182
Yoric wrote: post #163

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This is a good question. Let me give you an example. Let's imagine for instance that Google develops something called "Google Pay". Let's now imagine that WHATWG works on something called "WebPay". In a multiple-engines world, there would be pressure for Blink to support (and keep supporting) most major credit cards & payment mechanisms to let users pay using WebPay. In a single-engine world, one single manager at Go…

Let's not get confused. Blink is a rendering engine and not an API server.

This kind of thing has stopped being true a long time ago.

For all intents and purposes, web browsers are operating systems running web applications, taking care of security, etc.

And all these Chromium-derived browsers are skins and utilities on top of Google's browser/OS.

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