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Australian parliament passes encryption laws unamended

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Post by nate_meurer »

craigsmansion wrote: post #274
lettergram wrote: post #265

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s a lot of the reason a large part of the US is pro gun. A few hundred people with weapons can cause so much pain they can negotiate with a nation (see the troubles in Ireland, especially near the end). Point is, so long as a populous is armed it can strike fear in the government. Australia doesn’t allow guns in its citizens hands any more. They gave up their rights, now the government can do what it wants witho…

> as a populous is armed it can strike fear in the government. Or it can shoot up a pre-school. Only one of these things actually happens outside of adolescent power fantasies.

So, had you lived at the time of the American Revolution, do you imagine yourself among the pretentious loyalists accusing the founding fathers of "adolescent power fantasies"?

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Post by MaxBarraclough »

brokenmachine wrote: post #204
jacques_chester wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple stared down the FBI in a mass murder case, because it was possible for them to do so. They won't be able to do that in Australia. I don't like the US shonkiness any more than anyone else. But these situations are not precisely equivalent, especially since this bill passed.

The US government ignores their laws, while Australia passes terrible ones. Six of one, half dozen of the other.

> The US government ignores their laws

and yet

> Apple stared down the FBI in a mass murder case, because it was [legally] possible for them to do so.

Re: Australian parliament passes encryption laws unamended

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Post by brokenmachine »

MaxBarraclough wrote: post #292
brokenmachine wrote: post #204

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US government ignores their laws, while Australia passes terrible ones. Six of one, half dozen of the other.

> The US government ignores their laws and yet > Apple stared down the FBI in a mass murder case, because it was [legally] possible for them to do so.

The US government couldn't make Apple help them in public, but they just spy on everything they can themselves behind closed doors.

So far we haven't seen the Australian government ignore its own laws so completely.

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Post by kevin_b_er »

acutesoftware wrote: post #38

I am an Australian software developer and am currently getting https://www.lifepim.com ready for release which, funnily enough has the main selling point as "Your data is private, secure and free from adverts" - what a joke. The scary part is not knowing how the law is going to be implemented - I am hopeful that smart people work on the implementation of it in terms of practicality. If it is an on request thing "give…

It is now legally impossible for data to be private or secure. Your product is now dead by law.

Re: Australian parliament passes encryption laws unamended

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Post by craigsmansion »

nate_meurer wrote: post #291
craigsmansion wrote: post #274

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> as a populous is armed it can strike fear in the government. Or it can shoot up a pre-school. Only one of these things actually happens outside of adolescent power fantasies.

So, had you lived at the time of the American Revolution, do you imagine yourself among the pretentious loyalists accusing the founding fathers of "adolescent power fantasies"?

Surprisingly, I have not lived at the time of the American Revolution. Neither have you.

Who we are contemporary with are the parents of a lot of dead kids; maybe you should explain to them the necessity of guns to protect them from harm.

But keep on living in the past. If events like Sandy Hooks can't change your collective opinion, I doubt that anything will. It's all on your hands, you proud all-american weekend warriors.

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Post by techtalsky »

bwilli123 wrote: post #147

Does this mean that if I take my iphone into an Apple Store in Australia for repair that a Genius could load unknown software (under legal compulsion) without Apple itself knowing?

Technically, yes, as I understand the legislation.

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Post by p2t2p »

boyter wrote: post #45
artichokeheart wrote: post #22

To anyone with a business from anywhere else in the world. Yes please do, publicly and loudly, cease to deal with us (Australia) due to the very real possibility that all of you private and commercially sensitive communications will be monitored and recorded (Also given the five eyes agreement shared with other countries.) Australia already have a history of using their spy services for commercial gain. https://en.m.…

+1 block us. Apple if you are reading this stop selling us iPhones. Australians need to feel the pain of this otherwise nothing will change. 1 billion dollars wiped from Atlassian already. I’m hoping the markets react more and destroy the industry here. Might want to assume that all Australian developers are now potentially compromised.

I bet that the entity that sells iPhones here in Oz is different to Apple inc. and has absolutely no leverage to do anything in software.

Just like Yandex in Russia - legally they buy all of the software from a company in Netherlands, at least that what I heard.

Re: Australian parliament passes encryption laws unamended

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Post by dimensi0nal »

guitarbill wrote: post #233
CalRobert wrote: post #211

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When I was a kid I really wanted to see Australia. Kangaroos! Coral! Toilets that go backwards! Crocodile Dundee! (I was a kid, alright?) It just seems like a hotter, drier America at this point. New Zealand still looks lovely though. Maybe they could invade you?

Bit harsh, compared to America it's still saner day-to-day with healthcare, gun control, and very liveable cities with public transport. And it isn't like other western countries aren't thinking of doing something similar. While this is a bad law, being smug about it is the wrong reaction.

>gun control

The Australian government definitely seems like the type of government that can be trusted with a monopoly on violence!

Re: Australian parliament passes encryption laws unamended

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Post by justinclift »

_Nat_ wrote: post #43

Some of the comments so far seem to suggest that this bill would require software to include backdoors. However, it looks like [the bill's PDF]( https://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/download/legislation/bi... ) includes: > Division 7—Limitations > 317ZG Designated communications provider must not be required to implement or build a systemic weakness or systemic vulnerability etc. > (1) A technical assistance notice o…

Wonder how long it'll take for the Aust branches of the US copyright cartel to start demanding access to "pirates" comms through this.

From memory, the Aust internet filter was originally introduced using similar excuses. eg stop terrorist recruitment, pedos, etc.

The copyright cartel was having "pirate" sites blocked not long after, and has been expanding it's approach since.

Seems like a similar play book in action with this.

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