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This is a mockery of globalization, free markets and rule of law. It's sad for those of us who have supported some of these values to see them mocked like this. This is like China or Russia getting Trump's or Bill Gates daughter arrested on some made up charge in a third country. Who will support that? Unilateral sanctions against Iran or Cuba without the consensus of the UN is questionable in law in the first place.…
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If you commit a major crime against Chinese law, and then visit China, they are within their rights to arrest you for it. Similarly, if you commit a major crime against Canadian law and visit Canada, they can arrest you for it. And if you also committed a crime against US law, the US can petition for you to be extradited after the Canadians arrest you. I fear I don't understand where the overreach is. I've clearly mi…
How can you commit a crime under US law when you are not under US law at all ? If I pass a law that bans eating cornflakes, you then have breakfast and enter my country, am I justified in putting you under trial? International law is never simple - although I suppose having the biggest stick might drive people to ignore certain nuances.
What makes this complicated is that Huawei does have a registered company in the US (with multiple offices), and therefore at least some part of Huawei ought to be subject to US laws. By making the choice to establish a US presence they ought to be willing to comply to the local regulations.
> If I pass a law that bans eating cornflakes, you then have breakfast and enter my country, am I justified in putting you under trial?
Yes, though the problem is that this example is trivial. If I pass a law that bans cyber attacks on my country's infrastructure, and you perform attacks in a country where it is legal and travel to my country, I'm well in the grounds to arrest you.
If cornflake eating were against the law, the solution would be to avoid traveling to that country in the same way that some people might not travel to North Korea for fear of being arrested unfairly.
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AFAIK in the last 2 decades it was Europeans supporting American wars not the other way around... But I guess the war in Iraq was too long ago to be remembered today by Americans.
I guess you must think they did that out of the goodness of their heart? Do you know the funding structure of NATO? The US subsidizes the freedom of every European country, this will not change ever.
I'm sure the Europeans thought the same thing barely a hundred years ago.
Army size, August 1914:
Russia: 5,971,000
Germany: 4,500,000
France: 4,017,000
Austria-Hungary: 3,000,000
Italy: 1,251,000
Great Britain: 975,000
Japan: 800,000
Romania: 290,000
Bulgaria: 280,000
Greece: 230,000
Turkey: 210,000
Serbia: 200,000
United States: 200,000Many are lost in technicalities here, if Canada has the right to arrest a businesswoman, if the US can stop a foreign company to do business with another country. Who cares? I'm partial to Iran because a multi-lateral treaty was signed. Iran stopped nuclear enrichment. In exchange, western countries pledged to provide economic relief and stop sanctions. It is said that Iran has been developing various weapons, but th…
The company traded tech with the US under an agreement not to share said tech with sanctioned countries. They then proceeded in an apparent act of circumventing those trade agreements.
If they didn't like the sanctions against Iran then they shouldn't have been dealing with the US tech for which those sanctions applied in the first place.
Your argument is like saying "it's not theft because the person they were stealing from is a bad person" which isn't how the law works.
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So does imposing sanctions have any consistent basis or framework in the U.S? I believe that is very relevant here, because if not, it's basically being a bully.
Reducing international relations to schoolyard concepts like “bullying” leads to a child’s understanding of something that’s actually quite complex.
When a significantly more dominant part uses the power it knows it has over other parties to try to get its way, it is indeed buying, or any other synonym describing the same principle you may want to use.
Attempting to impose much greater intricacies to every single issue is rarely the right call.
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>Every country has things the culture is sensitive of. That might be child pornography for the USA, or drugs for Malaysia, or comments about the king for Thailand. That doesn't make them morally equivalent. You can't defend 30 years in prison for being mean.
Morally equivalent? Who is the arbiter of moral valence? This sense of moral superiority or having a better judgement than others, is exactly the property that blinds individuals and entire cultures to the absurdity of their own morals.
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I don't support the Iran sanctions either. But a key detail is buried in the middle of the article. > Since at least 2016, U.S. authorities have been reviewing Huawei’s alleged shipping of U.S.-origin products to Iran Huawei is free to export all their Chinese origin products to Iran. The allegation here is that us-origin products are not following us export laws. This seems more like a case of "when in Rome, follow…
Keep in mind that a lot of network equipment for 4G network (eg.) requires US patents, Qualcomm chips. So even if you build 99% of the equipment yourself if you use a single transistor that requires a US patent of is manufactured in the US the US will upkeep it's sanctions.
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And Coincidentally, ASML ( The only manufacture of EUV Equipment in the World used by every Leading node Fab ) had a Fire Hazard which causes Product Delays. I don't know about you, but these are not an accident, there are links in the Chain, the work of a single organisation, the Syndicate. A rogue nation trying to do destroy the system that created them, regardless who is in the way. An Anti - IMF. Ok small jokes o…
> But both pieces of news, the professor and CFO arrested are blocked in WeChat and Weibo so no one knew about it. Stop it. https://imgur.com/a/X4tTzpb
Edit: I tried again, turns out the Link I sent was blocked, but the news is in the wild now.
No problem USA! Go back on the Iran deal, go back on the Paris climate deal, go back on TPP. Just don't expect that anyone believes you anymore.
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