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Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver

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Re: Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver

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Can somebody explain to me on what authority the US can request the arrest of a Chinese national on Canadian soil for any action they took while conducting operations of a Chinese organization headquartered in China?

Everything that you need to know to evaluate international relations can be learned in a school yard.

Canada: 5'4 @110 lb kid in glasses with a pocket protector. Very smart. Has adoring crowd that claps.

US: the 6'1 220lb line backer built in the same school yard

Arrested Chinese exec: 4'10, 78lb daughter of a family from a different school somewhere over there. That school has lots of those like the US, US sometimes exchanges words with that school but they are somewhere over there.

Girls shows up in a schoolyard with Canada and the US. US tells Canada: "Give her to me. I have some business with her".

Re: Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver

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If you commit a major crime against Chinese law, and then visit China, they are within their rights to arrest you for it. Similarly, if you commit a major crime against Canadian law and visit Canada, they can arrest you for it. And if you also committed a crime against US law, the US can petition for you to be extradited after the Canadians arrest you. I fear I don't understand where the overreach is. I've clearly mi…

How can you commit a crime under US law when you are not under US law at all ? If I pass a law that bans eating cornflakes, you then have breakfast and enter my country, am I justified in putting you under trial? International law is never simple - although I suppose having the biggest stick might drive people to ignore certain nuances.

You're absolutely right! That's an absurd scenario and it makes no sense in any way under a basic understanding of how laws work.

It may be worth considering that laws are not always strictly confined to physical borders in what actions they can apply to. In this case, there are nuances that could be worth paying some attention to about Canadian laws and trade embargoes.

Re: Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver

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AFAIK in the last 2 decades it was Europeans supporting American wars not the other way around... But I guess the war in Iraq was too long ago to be remembered today by Americans.

I guess you must think they did that out of the goodness of their heart? Do you know the funding structure of NATO? The US subsidizes the freedom of every European country, this will not change ever.

It seems like you don't know the structure of NATO because so far the US has been the only NATO member to ever evoke article 11 for "joint defense pact" [0] in response to the 9/11 attacks which ushered the "War on Terror" with all it's ugly, inhumane and illegal manifestations to this day.

In that context, a shockingly high amount of comments here are of extremely low quality and reflect a whole lot of "ugly US American" along the same lines of a Trump who boasts about how the US supposedly singlehandedly saved Europe from two world wars.

People from all kinds of allied countries died for these US interests in Iraq, Afghanistan, and many other countries, yet comments here are seriously complaining about a lack of "contribution" in a war that wasn't only illegal [1], it was also highly unpopular pretty much everywhere outside the Anglo-Saxon sphere [2].

If countries like Germany would have went along with what their population actually demanded, the US would have been hard-pressed to stage that whole thing in the MENA region without Ramstein Air Base, just like drone controls go through Germany to this day.

These, along with the MENA refugee streams which date back to Afghanistan and Iraq, are among the main factors why right-wing nationalism is on the rise in Europe. No need for any "Russian interference", it's plenty enough when people perceive their own government acting against their own best wishes and interests like it's been repeatedly happening in Germany. Not just in the context of Afghanistan/Iraq support, but also the whole NSA episode which had literally no consequences at all.

In that context, I'd be really interested from whom the US is supposedly "protecting" Europe these days? Iraq? Iran? China? Russia? Really?

The US is in Europe because it profits from being in Europe, you can't project "global military power" [3] without a supporting global network of military infrastructure and contrary to popular belief these "host nations" are no freeloaders [4].

One would think that a president like Trump would have served as a mirror to US Americans how their mannerism is often perceived outside the US, sadly that seems not to be the case.

It's particularly absurd in the current "anti-Chinese" context, Reddit is full of people trying to justify this arrest with the "inhumane treatment of Muslims in China", which is a page China took straight out of the US's playbook: Label them terrorists and all their rights, human or not, and suddenly nullified and everything is allowed, including torture and targeted assassinations.

Either people have really short/selective memories or they can only care/be aware of whatever is currently being propagandized [5] all over the English speaking Internet.

[0] https://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/13/us/after-attacks-alliance...

[1] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/sep/16/iraq.iraq

[2] https://www.csmonitor.com/2001/0919/p12s2-woeu.html

[3] https://www.researchgate.net/publication/251629141_The_US_mi...

[4] https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-trump-allies-20160930-s...

[5] https://foreignpolicy.com/2013/07/14/u-s-repeals-propaganda-...

Re: Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver

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I don't support the Iran sanctions either. But a key detail is buried in the middle of the article. > Since at least 2016, U.S. authorities have been reviewing Huawei’s alleged shipping of U.S.-origin products to Iran Huawei is free to export all their Chinese origin products to Iran. The allegation here is that us-origin products are not following us export laws. This seems more like a case of "when in Rome, follow…

Keep in mind that a lot of network equipment for 4G network (eg.) requires US patents, Qualcomm chips. So even if you build 99% of the equipment yourself if you use a single transistor that requires a US patent of is manufactured in the US the US will upkeep it's sanctions.

I didn't know patents crossed international borders.

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She is a citizen of a foreign country. She is not subject to US law. Extra-territorial application of law is a nightmare. How would the US react if a US businessman was arrested for trading with Israel in Turkey?

> She is a citizen of a foreign country. She is not subject to US law. If a tourist travels to another country and breaks that country's laws, they will be subject to the consequences of breaking those laws. So why should a foreigner that willingly conspires to use Huawei's US business to break the US laws be free from punishment? The fact that they are a foreigner is irrelevant.

It was not on US soil. The world is not American.

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Seriously? And China is more trustworthy? Look at what they are doing with 1MDB scandal in Malaysia and Hambantota port in Sri Lanka. US is no saint - but it is the best of the worst out there. Pulling out of a loophole in a treaty is something any country can do. Why is US especial in this?

Wasn't 1MDB to blame on Goldman Sachs, a US company, and Jho Low, a Malaysian?

This is the problem. 1MDB was a money laundering scam. Where do you think the money was laundered from?

https://www-bbc-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.bbc.com/news/...

Re: Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver

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As a Jewish born Iranian atheist refugee to the states who protested against Iran a few years ago in Iran, I'd have to say, you're pretty wrong on this one. I hate Islamic Republic with every single cell in my body but you're just wrong. * U.S. plain and simply fucked Iran up with a coup at 1953. * Then helped Islamic Republic gain power in 1979. (This is up for debate though) * Then helped Saddam Hussein attack Iran…

Iran was already fucked up of its own doing before the 1953 coup. For the last few centuries Iran's history had been alternating periods of civil war and regional agression on Iran's part. The late 19th century was marked by occupation by Russia and the Ottoman empire. Following defeats in wars which Iran generally had provoked. Once Iran became a constitutional monarchy in the early 20th century political instabilit…

Path to democracy is not easy, specially in an oil-rich country like Iran.

We've had our moments that we were getting close. Now those moments are quite fragile. Every single time the U.S. has kicked us in the nuts in those moments.

Examples are this very same moment, where the economic sanctions and the reformists finally convinced the hardliners to talk to the U.S.

Supreme Leader finally gave it a thumbs up. And he raised his concerns back then that the U.S. cannot be trusted but if that's what people want it's OK to do it.

He was right. The U.S. could not be trusted. Now reformists have lost all credibility. In 2 years we have another election and for sure a batshit crazy like Ahmadinejad is going to be elected.

Same happened around 9/11. We had a really strong reformist movement and government. Then, out of nowhere, president Bush named Iran a part of "axis of evil". That gave the hardliners enough of a reason to push back against major reforms.

Jack Straw (British foreign minister of the time) has good notes on this if you're more interested.

1953's coup was another moment like that. Actually that's probably the closest we've ever been.

Now, if Iran is moving towards democracy, and at the most important moments, you kick it in the nuts, you "are" part of the problem.

Re: Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver

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The tone of the question reads angry and incredulous, not curious, hence the downvotes. You will also note that the poster of the question never came back to acknowledge the work people put into replying and explaining the situation. I believe that eduction wasn't the intent here.

Your response shows a good example of not interpreting the strongest, or possibly the only intent, of the message. Your explanation is flawed because it’s derived from how you think of the speaker with no good faith.

Indeed I don't believe the speaker was asking in good faith. This is why I did not engage them directly, and only opined when the matter of downvotes came up - an explanation of the downvotes may prove helpful.

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Since when are Chinese citizens governed by US laws though? Did I miss something there? There's a jurisdictional issue.

When exporting a product from the US, you are bound by the export laws of the US, if you then violate those laws (by shipping that product to Iran, say), then you can expect to be prosecuted by the US. If you then enter a country that has an extradition treaty with the US, you may find yourself on an unexpected plane ride to the US ...

Is that what Huawei does, export American products?

Re: Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver

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Google is your friend. Metro Vancouver has 9.2% of unoccupied homes and Vancouver itself has 8.2%, them being highest and second highest in Canada. Chinese drug mafia also allegedly moved more than $5bn through flipping properties in Vancouver. https://www.thestar.com/vancouver/2018/06/24/in-one-of-west-...

It's strange that owners would let the homes go vacant rather than rent them via a property manager. While the article seemed well-researched, one missing bit was who purchased the mansions they kept mentioning. They knew the builder, so perhaps they could have asked.

Is it though? Some of them just want to move their money outside of China incase something happens and they don't really care about anything else. While renting them via a property manager is a better financial decision, i'm don't know if you they care about it that much they are paying $x above asking price. Also, this might be their vacation home.
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