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Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver

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Re: Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver

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Post by paraditedc »

ksec wrote: post #581
huahaiy wrote: post #411

Coincidentally, a Stanford Chinese American scientist, Prof. Shoucheng Zhang ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoucheng_Zhang ), who discovered the Quantum Spin Hall effect that plays a big part in the recent Intel announcement of the next generation of chip design, was found dead on Stanford campus on Dec. 1st. Before he's death, Prof. Zhang went together with Huawei's CFO to attend a dinner in Argentina on Dec. 1st.…

And Coincidentally, ASML ( The only manufacture of EUV Equipment in the World used by every Leading node Fab ) had a Fire Hazard which causes Product Delays. I don't know about you, but these are not an accident, there are links in the Chain, the work of a single organisation, the Syndicate. A rogue nation trying to do destroy the system that created them, regardless who is in the way. An Anti - IMF. Ok small jokes o…

> But both pieces of news, the professor and CFO arrested are blocked in WeChat and Weibo so no one knew about it.

Stop it.

https://imgur.com/a/X4tTzpb

Re: Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver

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Post by onetimemanytime »

mtw wrote: post #302

Many are lost in technicalities here, if Canada has the right to arrest a businesswoman, if the US can stop a foreign company to do business with another country. Who cares? I'm partial to Iran because a multi-lateral treaty was signed. Iran stopped nuclear enrichment. In exchange, western countries pledged to provide economic relief and stop sanctions. It is said that Iran has been developing various weapons, but th…

You're complicating things: USA has issued an international arrest warrant. X person went to Canada and his name was blinking so he was arrested. End of the story.

A Canadian Court will decide whether the US arrest warrant was based on common Western norms or not. In this case the arrest warrant was not issued for free speech, tax evasion or political activity so almost certain he'll be extradited. End of the story. Canada will determine that the person involved--essentially with billion$ behind her--will get a fair hearing in USA. And she will, laws may be unfair but...

Re: Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver

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Post by notyourday »

cdash wrote: post #391
gonvaled wrote: post #377

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What I read from this is: "the US has a convoluted process, which nobody understands, in order to commit to international agreements". It seems everybody, including head of states, thought the US had agreed to the treaties, but they had not (?), because of a technicality. I assume these technicalities can be applied to anything, any time, in order to justify pulling out of international agreements. Worse, instead of…

Oh come on. That is just plain insulting to all the other parties of the agreement. They knew full well that they did not have a ratified treaty with the US and they were explicitly warned of that fact ahead of time. Just because people on the internet did not understand that doesn't mean the parties involved did not know that.

It is not insulting what so ever. Every single agreement that two parties enter is a temporary agreement that will be broken. The only question is when. The history is littered with the agreements/treaties between countries that were tossed.

Every single diplomat knows it, which is why diplomacy is about horse trading. Parties want to "sort of" maintain the status quo, even if it means giving up some of what is "rightfully their" by the agreement.

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Post by ktakemybaby »

pas wrote: post #408
product50 wrote: post #399

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Seriously? And China is more trustworthy? Look at what they are doing with 1MDB scandal in Malaysia and Hambantota port in Sri Lanka. US is no saint - but it is the best of the worst out there. Pulling out of a loophole in a treaty is something any country can do. Why is US especial in this?

What are they doing with 1MDB?

Jo Low is evading arrest, and they say is hiding in China. Makes sense.

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Post by ktakemybaby »

doanguyen wrote: post #467
huahaiy wrote: post #411

Coincidentally, a Stanford Chinese American scientist, Prof. Shoucheng Zhang ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoucheng_Zhang ), who discovered the Quantum Spin Hall effect that plays a big part in the recent Intel announcement of the next generation of chip design, was found dead on Stanford campus on Dec. 1st. Before he's death, Prof. Zhang went together with Huawei's CFO to attend a dinner in Argentina on Dec. 1st.…

Holly ssss, this went wild. I hope it is only a coincidence.

The chinese chat rooms are going wild with rumors about the cinnection between the arrest, the dinner, the suicide and the fire.

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Post by notyourday »

dlhw wrote: post #327
mtw wrote: post #302

Many are lost in technicalities here, if Canada has the right to arrest a businesswoman, if the US can stop a foreign company to do business with another country. Who cares? I'm partial to Iran because a multi-lateral treaty was signed. Iran stopped nuclear enrichment. In exchange, western countries pledged to provide economic relief and stop sanctions. It is said that Iran has been developing various weapons, but th…

Just because someone doesn’t agree with a law doesn’t mean that they should be able to break it without consequences. If she knowingly tried to export to Iran knowing it was forbidden by law, then she got what was coming to her. > What is even wrong for the US is punishing foreign companies wanting to do business in Iran. Perhaps there are technicalities to demonstrate a law in the US is broken. This makes sense for…

> Just because someone doesn’t agree with a law doesn’t mean that they should be able to break it without consequences.

Like those charged under the Russian laws living in Europe? Do you see how problematic this idea is?

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Post by Trill-I-Am »

miracle2k wrote: post #534
nostromo wrote: post #320

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> It is wrong for the US to walk away from this treaty The Iran Nuclear Deal and the Paris Accords were not treaties. We have a process to ratify treaties in the US. The president approves a treaty and sends it to the senate to approve or reject. It's easy for president to make executive order agreements because it doesn't require approval from the senate (something Obama knew he couldn't get for either deal). But al…

1. Iran had an election shortly after JCPOA. If that election would have led to a change in government, and under the new president, Iran had decided to abrogate from the agreement, would the argument then be "hey, fair enough, it was not a a treaty"? 2. The senate passing it makes no difference. The Republicans, controlling the House and the Senate, may well have been successfully in passing legislation withdrawing…

Strong political polarization in the US guarantees that going forward there won’t be continuity between presidents because there’s likely to be rapid shifts back and forth across the political spectrum

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Post by eh78ssxv2f »

matt4077 wrote: post #441
eh78ssxv2f wrote: post #349

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> China and their state-owned and state-controlled companies are stealing trade secrets and military technology instead of developing it on their own. Do you have any evidence for this? Have we arrested any US citizens for selling/leaking military technology to China?

I’m as opposed to current US idiocracy as anybody, but requiring people to relitigate every last fact, and prove even widely accepted moral concepts from first principle, just destroys any honest debate.

I do not know of any place that widely proves that "state-owned and state-controlled companies" are stealing trade secrets.

Individuals, sure. State-owned companies? I would like to know the proof for this.

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Post by toyg »

Kalium wrote: post #587
toyg wrote: post #423

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No, most countries don’t try to enforce their laws like that. If she has “committed” these acts while in China, obeying Chinese law, there is simply no crime. This is not “robbed a bank in country X and then fled to Y”, which is what international law-enforcement cooperation was built for. This is like “copied Windows in a country where piracy is legal”. It’s a massive overreach by US and Canada, but then again, they…

If you commit a major crime against Chinese law, and then visit China, they are within their rights to arrest you for it. Similarly, if you commit a major crime against Canadian law and visit Canada, they can arrest you for it. And if you also committed a crime against US law, the US can petition for you to be extradited after the Canadians arrest you. I fear I don't understand where the overreach is. I've clearly mi…

How can you commit a crime under US law when you are not under US law at all? If I pass a law that bans eating cornflakes, you then have breakfast and enter my country, am I justified in putting you under trial?

International law is never simple - although I suppose having the biggest stick might drive people to ignore certain nuances.

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Post by zelon88 »

zaptheimpaler wrote: post #148
zelon88 wrote: post #135

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If you're Huawei and you want to continue selling your products in the USA you might want to consider following the law of the USA.

If the US doesn't like the way Huawei does business, they are free to ban them from selling products in their country. Bringing criminal charges is still ridiculous.

When you agree to a set of terms, and then violate that set of terms, you are on the hook.

Why should Huawei get extra warning shots? They knew they would have to comply with US law and sanctions if they wanted to do business in the US. They chose to try and ignore those sanctions. Ignorantia juris non excusat.

You are suggesting that we make let international companies import products under a pretense, and then we are supposed to politely remind them of their obligations every time they run off the rails?

Huawei is one step away from being a branch of the Chinese intelligence service. We did the right thing.

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