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Re: Commandeering Australian citizens to become spies

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Isn't this the exact thing that China has in law that is causing everyone to dump Huawei over?

The Chinese legislation you refer to is much more expansive in scope as it is not limited to "communications providers". Refer to [1] and [2].

[1] https://www.lawfareblog.com/beijings-new-national-intelligen...

[2] https://www.aspistrategist.org.au/huawei-and-the-ambiguity-o...

Re: Commandeering Australian citizens to become spies

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> Now to time management. When do these taps actually get done? In today’s micromanaged Agile-Scrum-Kanban environment, every minute is tracked, and tracked to JIRA tickets.

Whatever happened to Agile as "we have come to value: Individuals and interactions over processes and tools" ??

https://agilemanifesto.org/

Re: Commandeering Australian citizens to become spies

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Isn't this the exact thing that China has in law that is causing everyone to dump Huawei over?

This is probably the reason they want to dump Huawei. Much easier to subvert technology produced locally or in allied countries (and the other Five Eyes members will undoubtedly adopt similar laws soon, if they haven't already).

> other Five Eyes members will undoubtedly adopt similar laws soon, if they haven't already

Exactly. For those getting wound up over this in other western countries - Australia is often used as a testing ground for this kind of legislation. It will be your country next.

Re: Commandeering Australian citizens to become spies

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Has anyone worked at a company where Change Management was so good that there was no possible backdoor? Every system change would have to be approved by at least one other engineer and there is no ssh/sudo access on production systems?

So far my impression is that all that is required is to gain access to Jenkins one way or another and you have the keys of the whole infrastructure.

Re: Commandeering Australian citizens to become spies

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If you're wondering why this kind of thing happens all the time in Australia, the late Donald Horne summed it up beautifully in the 1960s: "Australia is a lucky country run mainly by second rate people who share its luck" [1] Australia has many intelligent, brilliant people. For some reason, the design of our political system results in almost none of them getting into Government. This awful, fundamentally flawed law…

Don't worry, that pretty much describes all of western government. If they aren't trying to spy on their own people, they're getting into slapfights over social media corporations or invading random third world countries

"Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others"

Re: Commandeering Australian citizens to become spies

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If you're wondering why this kind of thing happens all the time in Australia, the late Donald Horne summed it up beautifully in the 1960s: "Australia is a lucky country run mainly by second rate people who share its luck" [1] Australia has many intelligent, brilliant people. For some reason, the design of our political system results in almost none of them getting into Government. This awful, fundamentally flawed law…

Maybe. But I really-really wish we had Australia’s STV system here in the USA.

Re: Commandeering Australian citizens to become spies

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a mischaracterization. Any type of entity can be targeted, but not any agent . That's an important distinction to stop people acting as private individuals on their own time from being exempt from the law. Not that I think this will work—it wont in the long run—but I'd rather argue against the strongest case of an argument.

According to Sect 317C, a "designated communications provider" includes: A person is a designated communications provider if ... 6. the person develops, supplies or updates software used, for use, or likely to be used, in connection with: (a) a listed carriage service; or (b) an electronic service that has one or more end-users in Australia ... and the eligible activities of the person are ... (a) the development by…

Wait... would this also apply to foreign developers who travel to Australia for their vacation?

Re: Commandeering Australian citizens to become spies

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is probably the reason they want to dump Huawei. Much easier to subvert technology produced locally or in allied countries (and the other Five Eyes members will undoubtedly adopt similar laws soon, if they haven't already).

> other Five Eyes members will undoubtedly adopt similar laws soon, if they haven't already Exactly. For those getting wound up over this in other western countries - Australia is often used as a testing ground for this kind of legislation. It will be your country next.

> Australia is often used as a testing ground for this kind of legislation.

I didn't know that. Can you mention any notable examples?

Re: Commandeering Australian citizens to become spies

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If you're wondering why this kind of thing happens all the time in Australia, the late Donald Horne summed it up beautifully in the 1960s: "Australia is a lucky country run mainly by second rate people who share its luck" [1] Australia has many intelligent, brilliant people. For some reason, the design of our political system results in almost none of them getting into Government. This awful, fundamentally flawed law…

See also https://independentaustralia.net/life/life-display/queenslan...

https://mobile.twitter.com/1EarthMedia/status/96365636438716...

Re: Commandeering Australian citizens to become spies

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post #37
post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

According to Sect 317C, a "designated communications provider" includes: A person is a designated communications provider if ... 6. the person develops, supplies or updates software used, for use, or likely to be used, in connection with: (a) a listed carriage service; or (b) an electronic service that has one or more end-users in Australia ... and the eligible activities of the person are ... (a) the development by…

Wait... would this also apply to foreign developers who travel to Australia for their vacation?

Like any law, it applies to those that Australia has jurisdiction over. Visitors to Australia are under the jurisdiction of Australian law.
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