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Ain't that 24 days, 2 days per month) plus public holidays? just wondering. Confirming the rest.
24 days if you work 6 days/week + holidays 20 days if you work 5 days/week + holidays 16 days if you work 4 days/week + holidays
Send Noncompete Agreements Back to the Middle Ages
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Re: Send Noncompete Agreements Back to the Middle Ages
#192Earlier quoted context omitted.
That'd be competing. Given any company can pivot to do anything. Yoga instructor? Cough non-compete!
> That'd be competing. Given any company can pivot to do anything. That bullshit would not fly for a single second in germany. The NCC couldn't even prevent working for a direct competitor.
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If a wolf and a sheep are having a discussion over what to eat, is letting the wolf eat only 1 or 2 legs a nice balance because both sides are unhappy? Should one side be made happy when they have an unreasonable ask? If companies do not want you to work for competitors, they should be paying your salary for that time. Employees still lose out on things like keeping their skills sharp through work, or career growth,…
Well, it practically serves the prupose of limiting the actual use of non-competes. So it does serve the purpose pretty well IMHO. Enforcing those in Germany is really difficult by the way.
Re: Send Noncompete Agreements Back to the Middle Ages
#194Earlier quoted context omitted.
All other things being equal, businesses will hire the candidate that they can potentially abuse before the one that may righteously push back. So if you are one who would negotiate the terms of a non-compete, you will not even get the opportunity until all those who will just blindly sign it have been given the chance to do so. The smart-ass part is signaling that you're less-abusable before the decision is made on…
When I was given an nca, it was on my first day and I was put in an empty room with the materials and told I can't take them from the room. I tell you, when you're needing the job to provide for your family, there isn't much you can do there. EDIT: fortunately, the company made a very niche product so it would be hard to argue anywhere was competing with them.
Smartass or not, if you are asked to sign anything that you are not allowed to show to a lawyer, the company is trying to abuse you, so feel free to mark it up a bit. Cross out single words that completely change the meaning of clauses that would put an obligation on you. Likely candidates are "not", "must", "shall", and "but". Write on it "This is not a contract" in small, hard-to-read print above your signature. Photograph it with your phone. Anonymously let other people know the company is doing this.
Chances are, if you asked any question at all about non-competes during the interview, you never would have made it to the empty room where they showed theirs to you.
Re: Send Noncompete Agreements Back to the Middle Ages
#195I've had non competes at my last 3 jobs (all in web hosting) The first, a darling "startup" adored by investors and customers alike sued me twice, sent a process server to my door at 6am on a saturday and tried to call me in for a deposition the afternoon of Christmas eve. They regularly win company culture awards and receive undeserved praise for being a place people can grow. I had a chance to grow from IC to VP an…
I have NEVER had a company balk at this when I do it. I tell them exactly why I'm removing it and why I will never agree to a contract that includes it.
I've never had any company bat an eyelid at this. They've all thought my reasons were perfectly fair and valid.
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#196Earlier quoted context omitted.
> That'd be competing. Given any company can pivot to do anything. That bullshit would not fly for a single second in germany. The NCC couldn't even prevent working for a direct competitor.
Just wondering, how can a German defend oneself from such bullshit?
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#197Earlier quoted context omitted.
How do you do this when the signature happens online rather than on paper?
Try sending them physical documents? Maybe they have a fax machine.
You could always add some words to your digital signature, like "this is not a contract", or "I refuse these terms", if that's the only way you could otherwise edit the document. If it's an automated system, it's likely that there is no human review until the documents are actually needed for some legal reason. By that time, you'll already have your money.
You could also try hacking the document system. The worst that could happen is that you don't get to work there. Second worst is that months or years into your new job, some HR person notices a discrepancy, and wants you to sign a fresh copy, or you're fired immediately. Try sending back a document that has lorem ipsum generated text or Markov chain text with the appropriate paragraph lengths? They're probably counting on you just clicking the buttons, maybe typing out your full legal name, and automatically filling the checkboxes with green checkmarks. Putting all of it into an automated system is already a means of cutting corners on legal paperwork. You can easily outsmart the computer, if there's no human helping it.
Re: Send Noncompete Agreements Back to the Middle Ages
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Just wondering, how can a German defend oneself from such bullshit?
The first line of defence is the trade union. The second one is the labour courts system (Arbeitsgerichte).
Re: Send Noncompete Agreements Back to the Middle Ages
#199I've had non competes at my last 3 jobs (all in web hosting) The first, a darling "startup" adored by investors and customers alike sued me twice, sent a process server to my door at 6am on a saturday and tried to call me in for a deposition the afternoon of Christmas eve. They regularly win company culture awards and receive undeserved praise for being a place people can grow. I had a chance to grow from IC to VP an…
I don't get why people sign contracts that have broad non-competes in the language. I always have and always will scrub those out of a contract before I even contemplate signing it. No company that thinks it's okay to prevent me working is a company I want to work for. If they want me badly enough, they'll agree to a fair and balanced contract and that includes removal of any contract that seeks to infringe on my abi…
But don't have the gall to expect someone to sign a non-compete for a market wage.
Re: Send Noncompete Agreements Back to the Middle Ages
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+ pension + healthcare + mandatory 20 vacation days + max. 48h workweeks + mandatory 30 days notice period + better social security net and i dont need a gofundme page in case someone in my family gets cancer ...
You forgot +$400,000 per kid for university education - not to mention public school quality.