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The German dev gets paid 25% of the US dev salary though.
+ pension + healthcare + mandatory 20 vacation days + max. 48h workweeks + mandatory 30 days notice period + better social security net and i dont need a gofundme page in case someone in my family gets cancer ...
Send Noncompete Agreements Back to the Middle Ages
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Re: Send Noncompete Agreements Back to the Middle Ages
#182I've had non competes at my last 3 jobs (all in web hosting) The first, a darling "startup" adored by investors and customers alike sued me twice, sent a process server to my door at 6am on a saturday and tried to call me in for a deposition the afternoon of Christmas eve. They regularly win company culture awards and receive undeserved praise for being a place people can grow. I had a chance to grow from IC to VP an…
This is a failure of our legal system. You can challenge a non compete in court and, depending on a few factors most heavily weighted towards if you can afford a good lawyer, you have a real shot at a win. However, this means you and only you are free from the shackles of this non compete.
Other people who signed a contract with this same exact illegal clause in it are still beholden to it, unless they have the resources to fight it (legal knowledge, time for a court battle, money to pay for lawyers). The threat of a lawsuit is enough to dissuade most people, who lack these resources, to back down from a winnable case.
Re: Send Noncompete Agreements Back to the Middle Ages
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#184Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't see the connection. Right to Work laws say that workers can't be forced to join a union. They don't say that workers can't voluntarily join a union; so why should they say that workers can't voluntarily sign a non-compete?
> Right to Work laws say that workers can't be forced to join a union. They say no such thing. They say that companies can't form agreements to exclusively hire union workers. They outlaw essentially non-competes in the opposite direction. A non-compete agreement binds a worker to exclusivity with a company. The agreements outlawed by right-to-work laws bind companies to exclusivity with a union.
If you are thinking of "closed shops", companies where the union has a security agreement with the company and the union is free to deny membership to a person (thereby denying them employment), those were deemed illegal everywhere under US federal labor law.
Re: Send Noncompete Agreements Back to the Middle Ages
#185Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm actually an engineer :-) I used "smartass" because it's a move that superficially seems clever, but is actually completely futile when you look at the broad picture - as my comment shows. I don't know if us engineers have "low social status", but we certainly don't have as much negotiating power as some of us may fancy, certainly not against a huge mega-corporation.
All other things being equal, businesses will hire the candidate that they can potentially abuse before the one that may righteously push back. So if you are one who would negotiate the terms of a non-compete, you will not even get the opportunity until all those who will just blindly sign it have been given the chance to do so. The smart-ass part is signaling that you're less-abusable before the decision is made on…
EDIT: fortunately, the company made a very niche product so it would be hard to argue anywhere was competing with them.
Re: Send Noncompete Agreements Back to the Middle Ages
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60% is a nice balance that leaves both sides unhappy. Which means that non-competes will be used sparingly; only in cases where it really means something. Sounds pretty smart to me.
If a wolf and a sheep are having a discussion over what to eat, is letting the wolf eat only 1 or 2 legs a nice balance because both sides are unhappy? Should one side be made happy when they have an unreasonable ask? If companies do not want you to work for competitors, they should be paying your salary for that time. Employees still lose out on things like keeping their skills sharp through work, or career growth,…
Re: Send Noncompete Agreements Back to the Middle Ages
#187I've had non competes at my last 3 jobs (all in web hosting) The first, a darling "startup" adored by investors and customers alike sued me twice, sent a process server to my door at 6am on a saturday and tried to call me in for a deposition the afternoon of Christmas eve. They regularly win company culture awards and receive undeserved praise for being a place people can grow. I had a chance to grow from IC to VP an…
What does the process server say? They are so glamorized in TV shows, lime Suits where they deliver a Chinese takeaway!
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#188Earlier quoted context omitted.
+ pension + healthcare + mandatory 20 vacation days + max. 48h workweeks + mandatory 30 days notice period + better social security net and i dont need a gofundme page in case someone in my family gets cancer ...
Ain't that 24 days, 2 days per month) plus public holidays? just wondering. Confirming the rest.
20 days if you work 5 days/week + holidays
16 days if you work 4 days/week + holidays
Re: Send Noncompete Agreements Back to the Middle Ages
#189Earlier quoted context omitted.
And of that 50% are grabbed by the taxman.
But the service you get from German government is so much better, healthcare is a good example here.
Re: Send Noncompete Agreements Back to the Middle Ages
#190Earlier quoted context omitted.
Really? All of your jobs have been for competitors of each other? I don't think that is the case for most people.
Most non-competes are usually imposed on very specialized professions like market analysts and accountants at global firms for example. If you're barred from working for another financial firm for 2 years, what are you going to do? I'm surprised to see such a narrow view about this issue on this forum.
This forum oddly has some anti-labor sentiment. It is seen in this thread and also in threads related to unions, where the tone is quite obviously anti-union.