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Re: The latest on Messages, Allo, Duo and Hangouts

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> focusing on making actual useful products A 'product' is something you sell to clients. Google's only product is advertising, and they don't need to focus on making better advertising because they are a monopoly. Everything else Google does is just a smokescreen for investors and a creeping fear that they won't be able to exist in a post-monopoly world.

> Google's only product is advertising, Google's main product is user attention, which they sell to advertisers in the form of advertising. Right now, they farm this attention mostly through web search, but hone it through data they collect with other venues, such as e.g. location and other data collected from Android handsets, the vast tentacles of Google Analytics, Google DNS, G-Suite (GMail, G Docs, G Drive, ...)…

> they're the monopoly because they are the best in many ways, mostly not because of network effects or anti-competitive behaviour

Not true. Their advertising business is absolutely built on network effects. Advertisers advertise where there is user data (anything else is a money losing proposition), and lots of user data collection only happens in services that have the money to host (and curate) a large search index, which in turn needs a healthy and growing ad business.

It's a self-serving cycle that eventually leads to one player becoming the monopoly.

(Same deal with social networks, though less pronounced.)

Re: The latest on Messages, Allo, Duo and Hangouts

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The text of the blog post is very confusing at best. I consistently got the feeling we have no idea how to do messaging, and we are throwing many things to see which one sticks. In other words, the blog post felt like it was a post about telling how we have no idea what we are doing using some thousand words. Messages app is very primitive. I like hangouts way more. I can hop from text message to video chat with fami…

Same. I adore hangouts, ugly and 'outdated' as it is. With Fi/Voice, it integrates perfectly as to call or text from any internet device. And who cares about wifi calling or volte support when with hangouts, everything is over data always and more reliable. Killing it is a mistake. It's the only Google product I'd gladly pay a monthly fee to use...

> I adore hangouts, ugly and 'outdated' as it is

How is hangouts ugly or outdated? I've heard this from several people and I don't know to what y'all are referring.

I have no particular love or hate for hangouts, I'm just curious.

Re: The latest on Messages, Allo, Duo and Hangouts

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This is exactly what I suspected Google to be like but I always assumed I was just stereotyping. A bunch of competing teams and internal politics frustrating the ability to have coherence and "synergy". I once worked at a startup that made the mistake of hiring an entire remote product team from silicon valley. All they did in the year before they mass resigned was inject drama and politics into everything and force…

> This is exactly what I suspected Google to be like but I always assumed I was just stereotyping. A bunch of competing teams and internal politics frustrating the ability to have coherence and "synergy". Interesting, because it seems (from the outside) like that was what Microsoft was like internally for years. Blogs like mini-ms seemed to confirm some of that, but of course that was "just one side" of the story.

So basically Google is like microsoft?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/readwrite.com/2013/07/11/micros...

Re: The latest on Messages, Allo, Duo and Hangouts

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Social was the department that was running Google+ and Hangout, and at one point I think Youtube fell under its control as well? Vic Gundotra was the SVP who ran it. Despite my mixed feelings toward products from Social I had a lot of respect for Vic.

Vic Gundotra was a turkey trying to be an eagle with this stupid twitter commentary.

haha, i like your figure of speech.

Re: The latest on Messages, Allo, Duo and Hangouts

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What is a PM? I am getting insight into how google works because this sounds like a bunch of idiotic internal wars between acronym teams instead of focusing on making actual useful products.

PM is a super heavily overloaded term that you'll run across in pretty much any company larger than small, definitely not specific to Google (disclaimer: I work at Google and don't speak for the company, but I'm brand new so my conception of the categories comes from what I've seen elsewhere). Engineers tend to raise an eyebrow at the entire job category because they're thinking of bad experiences with one particular…

> You need a trained and certified Master because otherwise people new to Scrum might not know to pick hats

You certainly don't need a certified scrum master. Ideally, the scrum master should be somebody who is already in the team. A scrum master who does just that is really a project manager, and having a project manager is, IMHO, antithetical to doing scrum.

Re: The latest on Messages, Allo, Duo and Hangouts

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Hangouts integrates your Google Voice and Google Fi texts right into web pages like GMail, contacts, etc. And this works even if your phone is off, lost, broken, or has no service. Hangouts also works on any device with an internet connection if you log in. You can text and call from your number on literally any device just by signing into hangouts. None of the multitude of other redundant Google messaging products d…

I agree with you 100%. Most of the time when I'm receiving a text I'm sitting in front of my computer with a Gmail tab open. So the ability to text back directly from my computer (with a full size keyboard) is absolutely the killer feature of Hangouts integrating the Google Voice/Fi phone number. I simply cannot imagine using anything else. Those who haven't experienced this workflow don't know what they are missing.…

> So the ability to text back directly from my computer (with a full size keyboard) is absolutely the killer feature of Hangouts integrating the Google Voice/Fi phone number.

Another Google Fi user here. To be clear (since this was a shock when I learned it this morning) - you can text from your computer with a full size keyboard with Android Messages now. It's just more WhatsApp-style where it's paired with your phone, so you need to have your phone on and working. It also isn't integrated right into Gmail. So it's not as nice but it's got the "killer feature" of texting from your computer (which, I agree, is killer) at least.

Re: The latest on Messages, Allo, Duo and Hangouts

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XKCD has a comic for just this situation: https://xkcd.com/927/

Hahaha I had that in my copy clipboard while typing the post :) For real though, has any sort of movement or organization tried to alleviate these problems without financial motivation?

I encourage you to read about matrix [https://matrix.org] - the protocol. In addition, there are numerous open source clients to use [https://matrix.org/docs/projects/clients-matrix]. Also, as far as organizations, matrix.org has recently become a foundation moving towards somewhat you described [https://matrix.org/blog/2018/10/29/introducing-the-matrix-or...].

Re: The latest on Messages, Allo, Duo and Hangouts

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This is the brilliance of iMessage where it gets critical mass- fallback to SMS but pushing the iMessage identity tied to an account that follows you to new phones/devices. I think that iMessage network effect is a big reason for the steady market share growth of iPhone in the US- none of the competitive apps have cross-generational appeal, just iMessage.

Wouldn't a federated solution be better though? After all email and SMS are decentralized, albeit somewhat archaic.

sorenjan referenced matrix...and honestly, that's the way to go.

Re: The latest on Messages, Allo, Duo and Hangouts

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To be fair, in Slack I also miss important conversations when they happen in threads while I'm not looking.

Threads are a terrible feature they should never have added to Slack. Threads take one conversation and fork into multiple, which is just awful.

I like Slack's threads. I'm in a couple of Slacks which use them quite effectively.

I'm not quite sure how though, it just happened.

Re: The latest on Messages, Allo, Duo and Hangouts

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You should add that no product from anyone else has this capability, even on iPhone.

I use iMessage and FaceTime across many devices that are not my iPhone. What I can't do is go to a random computer and sign in to see my messages.

imessages cannot send sms over data; only iPhone to iPhone messages. Hangouts can send a standard sms to any number from anywhere in the world using WiFi/data for free. This is a huge feature that doesn't get enough press.
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