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Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver

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Re: Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver

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https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/a3hied/huawei_de... Keep in mind that US sanctions against foreign companies doing business with Iran are opposed by: The United Nations International Court of Justice, which ordered the US to withdraw sanctions, to which the US responded by pulling out of international agreements. The European Union, which has attempted to block its companies from complying with US sanctio…

>But arresting foreign nationals in other countries for violating US sanctions? That's the equivalent of Russia arresting American business executives and extraditing them to China for violating Chinese sanctions against Taiwan - and yes, there are sanctions against Taiwan, which are regularly ignored by the US, of course.

No, it isn't. They're only equivalent if the American executive's company in question is selling, say, Huawei networking equipment (assuming it is banned; I don't know if it's the case) to businesses in Taiwan -- probably under an arrangement where the intention to sell to Taiwan was never made clear and likely actively concealed.

That's circumvention of export controls and likely fraud at the expense of the sanctioning country -- an entirely different beast than merely passive business between the sanctioned and a separate third-party.

>will undoubtedly cause a major international crisis.

It will, but it has less to do with any escalation by the US than it does with China's own, well, unique political environment. If a similar case occurred to CFO of e.g. Yandex, I have a hard time seeing Russians/Russia reacting nearly as strongly as I expect Chinese/China to.

Re: Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver

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https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/a3hied/huawei_de... Keep in mind that US sanctions against foreign companies doing business with Iran are opposed by: The United Nations International Court of Justice, which ordered the US to withdraw sanctions, to which the US responded by pulling out of international agreements. The European Union, which has attempted to block its companies from complying with US sanctio…

> Keep in mind that US sanctions against foreign companies doing business with Iran are opposed by: They may be but US is on the right side of history on this one. And I say this as an European.

Why do you think this?

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Uh I mean, maybe not officially but there's a whole lot of precedent that if you engage in trade using USD that you're under US jurisdiction.

Really. How valid is that? If an American tourist uses 20USD to pay for a meal in Montreal or Toronto (which happens a lot), what's the logic that this falls under US jurisdiction. If it's true, I'd avoid USD like plague

Yes, you should avoid USD like plague. That's why Iran and South Korea established payment facility denominated in won, South Korean currency.

https://www.rt.com/business/443354-iran-south-korea-currenci...

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Just because someone doesn’t agree with a law doesn’t mean that they should be able to break it without consequences. If she knowingly tried to export to Iran knowing it was forbidden by law, then she got what was coming to her. > What is even wrong for the US is punishing foreign companies wanting to do business in Iran. Perhaps there are technicalities to demonstrate a law in the US is broken. This makes sense for…

She is a citizen of a foreign country. She is not subject to US law. Extra-territorial application of law is a nightmare. How would the US react if a US businessman was arrested for trading with Israel in Turkey?

it should be Iran not Turkey , trading with israel is not forbidden in Turkey

Re: Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver

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Note that this arrest was due to the lesser sin of export control busting, rather than Huawei's biggest sin: facilitating surveillance and IP theft. Remarkable that they (she?) went through all the effort to set up a HK front company, but then left the Huawei logo on their powerpoint decks

"facilitating surveillance and IP theft" ... Which is pretty funny coming from the US!

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Many are lost in technicalities here, if Canada has the right to arrest a businesswoman, if the US can stop a foreign company to do business with another country. Who cares? I'm partial to Iran because a multi-lateral treaty was signed. Iran stopped nuclear enrichment. In exchange, western countries pledged to provide economic relief and stop sanctions. It is said that Iran has been developing various weapons, but th…

> A few will say that Iran is threatening Middle East Peace. That is widely agree upon largely due to Iran's shipment of weapons and financing of external militant groups actively engaged in various conflicts. I am currently in the Middle East due to one or more of these conflicts. I am not stating any opinion for or against the recent (now ignored) agreement. > What is even wrong for the US is punishing foreign comp…

Saudi Arabia is known to finance Wahhabism groups around the world, its books for children say it is ok to kill non-Muslims and even Muslims of the “wrong kind”, the terorist behind 9/1/1 were from the country, ISIS got its money from SA and the country is engaged in mayor war in the Middle East. Yet SA is a friend of US and many western countries.

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> That is widely agree upon largely due to Iran's shipment of weapons and financing of external militant groups actively engaged in various conflicts. Where is your proof on this? Where is all of the proof on any of the things claimed about Iran? Just like there were mass destructive weapons in Irak?? Sure, we know how that turned out. It's time for big ol' USA to just stop meddling in affairs it has no business in.…

The evidence exists if you care to look. Most of it is in the way of first-hand accounts, however. Seeing as how this particular forum lacks a subpoena power over defected Shi'ite militia members, I have no way of directly presenting you the evidence. Indirectly, however, you'll find the Internet is pretty replete. You can start here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_and_state-sponsored_terro... Given the strident…

And you think it’s just of US to sell weapons to a authoritarian murderous regime like SA? Previously Saddam in Iraq? And also the Afghan fundamentalists during Russian and Afghanistan war? Eventually US went to war with both Iraq and Afghanistan with the same leadership they supported earlier.

The Shia militias your talking about is no better nor worse than the kind of people both US and SA and other gulf countries have supported in the region. You think ISIS could have existed without certain external help in the ME?

The question is not if Iran is bad they clearly are, but they are not worse than the rest of the regional powers also not worse compared to US given it’s track record in both supporting totalitarian leaders and fundamentalists.

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What I read from this is: "the US has a convoluted process, which nobody understands, in order to commit to international agreements". It seems everybody, including head of states, thought the US had agreed to the treaties, but they had not (?), because of a technicality. I assume these technicalities can be applied to anything, any time, in order to justify pulling out of international agreements. Worse, instead of…

Seriously? And China is more trustworthy? Look at what they are doing with 1MDB scandal in Malaysia and Hambantota port in Sri Lanka. US is no saint - but it is the best of the worst out there. Pulling out of a loophole in a treaty is something any country can do. Why is US especial in this?

What are they doing with 1MDB?

Re: Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver

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The Iran sanctions are yet another sad example of the US losing the moral high ground and soft power (followed by hard power). Americans might not like hearing this but increasingly the US is seen a dangerous, untrustworthy and negative value ally. As this continues the EU block will steadily move away from the US eventually NATO will fragment and this will have serious implications for global stability.

Prior to the current return to Iran sanctions the USA had a monopoly on international payments clearance. The EU has responded by setting up an alternative system.

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Plus the arrested party is the daughter of the founder; I can't separate that fact when trying to infer intention here. I definitely feel anxious..

I think this is an extremely dangeruous move on the side of the Trump administration. This is supposed to be about Iran? Arresting the daugther of Huawei's founder definately makes it seem like there is more going on. How is any significant American business man flying through Hong Kong airport supposed to feel right now?

And I am pretty sure that the mullahs in Tehran are laughing in their beards over the US picking fights with China (and maybe the EU) over the Iran boycots. At least when this is the way it is done.
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