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Re: Facebook's seized files published by MPs

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Post by stordoff » Thu, Dec 06, 2018, 3:48 AM UTC

ryanwaggoner wrote: post #351

zimpenfish wrote: post #332

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> I get that people hate Facebook, but does that justify any level of bad behavior as long as it harms them? Personally, given the level of harm Facebook has helped to inflict on the world these last 2-3 years, yeah, I reckon I'm perfectly happy with people inflicting harm on the corporation, probably even to the point of ruination.

Seems like a pretty dangerous road to go down, personally. Looking at some of our politicians in the US, I don't really want them to have unfettered power to misuse the law and their elected position to destroy any person or organization who raises their ire. Even if I don't like that person or organization and want to see them destroyed.

FWIW, the UK Parliament already has unfettered power , so we're already well down that road.

Re: Facebook's seized files published by MPs

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Post by hkt » Thu, Dec 06, 2018, 3:51 AM UTC

gowld wrote: post #282

rchaud wrote: post #253

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CEOs and executives are the closest equivalent of royalty in the United States. Their media coverage is often hagiographic as a result. They are humanized and puffed up in the press to an extent that foreign press would never think to do about business leaders in their own countries. Inch upon inch of columns are dedicated to their morning habits, favourite TV shows and fashion choices, and other fluff content to mak…

Zuck has a bespoke hoodie, and ordered a pallet of them for the company so his employees could dress like him.

Gross

Re: Facebook's seized files published by MPs

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Post by fma » Thu, Dec 06, 2018, 4:10 AM UTC

oska wrote: post #443

e40 wrote: post #177

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> These people will suffocate innovation just to win. I don't like Zuck, but come on, you just described every CEO in America, that when they have a choice they will do this.

I don't agree that Elon Musk is like this (quite the reverse) and I'm sure there are many other CEOs who aren't too. Let's not normalise sociopathology, even given its prevalence amongst business executives.

I'm no Musk fan but he opened up all the Tesla patents so other manufacturers can use their intellectual property.

Maybe he had ulterior motives... Don't know. But opening up patents is certainly the opposite of squashing innovation.

Re: Facebook's seized files published by MPs

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Post by zorpner » Thu, Dec 06, 2018, 4:18 AM UTC

notacoward wrote: post #188

JustSomeNobody wrote: post #171

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I'd say the HN response is, no, you can't be good and work at FB.

Pretty sure you're right, but I figure at least a few people might be able to realize that "you should be ashamed" just doesn't lead in any productive direction. What if I was ashamed? Would leaving be the only positive reaction to that? As great as I think I am, I don't think Facebook would miss me. They'd just replace me. I'd just carry the taint to my next company, while my replacement also becomes tainted. Good j…

You've gone through some serious mental gymnastics to justify your lack of action, but it's clear that you know that Facebook is making you worse than you're making Facebook better. Rest assured that there are companies where you can work on interesting problems without facilitating genocide.

Re: Facebook's seized files published by MPs

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Post by ilrwbwrkhv » Thu, Dec 06, 2018, 4:41 AM UTC

I asked this in another Facebook related post but was flagged... think would make more sense here: why do we keep using facebook stuff if they steal our data?

Re: Facebook's seized files published by MPs

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Post by rabidrat » Thu, Dec 06, 2018, 4:55 AM UTC

sbhn wrote: post #28

Thx for link. Everytime i read the word ‘whitelist’, i think, havn’t they caught up with the times, thats racist, whitelist. Why does white suggest good?

"white" people aren't actually white-colored, and "black" people aren't actually black-colored. The real problem is that we don't say "fair" and "dark" skinned.

Re: Facebook's seized files published by MPs

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Post by tlow » Thu, Dec 06, 2018, 5:04 AM UTC

tpush wrote: post #4

Trill-I-Am wrote: post #2

Here is a direct link to the files themselves: https://www.parliament.uk/documents/commons-committees/cultu...

Really interesting stuff in there. > Facebook email 24 January 2013 > Justin Osofsky – ‘Twitter launched Vine today which lets you shoot multiple short video segments to make one single, 6-second video. As part of their NUX, you can find friends via FB. Unless anyone raises objections, we will shut down their friends API access today. We’ve prepared reactive PR, and I will let Jana know our decision. > MZ – ‘Yup, go…

Did you read the entirety of this report? Can you share any more interesting quotes/bits?

If you did read, would you suggest other HN users read it?

Re: Facebook's seized files published by MPs

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Post by oska » Thu, Dec 06, 2018, 5:37 AM UTC

fma wrote: post #473

oska wrote: post #443

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I don't agree that Elon Musk is like this (quite the reverse) and I'm sure there are many other CEOs who aren't too. Let's not normalise sociopathology, even given its prevalence amongst business executives.

I'm no Musk fan but he opened up all the Tesla patents so other manufacturers can use their intellectual property. Maybe he had ulterior motives... Don't know. But opening up patents is certainly the opposite of squashing innovation.

Yes, that was my point. That Musk actively encourages other companies to share in his companies' innovations.

Re: Facebook's seized files published by MPs

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Post by oska » Thu, Dec 06, 2018, 5:39 AM UTC

Lio wrote: post #448

oska wrote: post #443

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I don't agree that Elon Musk is like this (quite the reverse) and I'm sure there are many other CEOs who aren't too. Let's not normalise sociopathology, even given its prevalence amongst business executives.

I am definitely no fan of Zuck but on the subject of Elon Musk, this is the same guy who tried to use his high media profile to call an innocent man a pedophile just because he would follow Musk’s crazy plan.[1] So that another one off the “CEO billionaire but not a sociopath” list. [1] https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/jul/15/elon-musk...

I'd suggest you find a better source than The Guardian for news about Elon Musk. They have run a relentless smear campaign against him for years now. Just one more reason to loathe that publication, in my book.

Re: Facebook's seized files published by MPs

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Post by primax » Thu, Dec 06, 2018, 5:49 AM UTC

evilzuku wrote: post #33

tpush wrote: post #4

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Really interesting stuff in there. > Facebook email 24 January 2013 > Justin Osofsky – ‘Twitter launched Vine today which lets you shoot multiple short video segments to make one single, 6-second video. As part of their NUX, you can find friends via FB. Unless anyone raises objections, we will shut down their friends API access today. We’ve prepared reactive PR, and I will let Jana know our decision. > MZ – ‘Yup, go…

Nothing says evil more than preparing reactive PR to bury your competitors. And the nonchalant way his response sends chills down my spine. These people will suffocate innovation just to win.

The holocaust? That's nothing! Check out these guys, they're preparing PR to say bad things about their new competitors.