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Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver

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Re: Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver

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Post by jbay808 »

baby wrote: post #247
estsauver wrote: post #22

I would not look forward to being an American businessman abroad in China right now. I think we're all used to the fiction that we live in a world that's totally governed by fairness and laws. That's been a pretty useful fiction for a long time, and in (some) of the developed world that's basically been how it's worked. But I really wonder how many shocks this system can take. I would bet money that an important US e…

Most people commenting here have never been to China. As a foreigner you enjoy a freedom greater than in the US.

Having been a foreigner in both countries, I felt more oppressed in China than by the USA, although only somewhat.

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

codedokode wrote: post #179
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #128

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> why a Chinese company should comply with sanctions between US and Iran? And why a fourth country is arresting Chinese citizens violating US rules? Huawei stole a Canadian company's technology [1], markets products in America [2], has issued dollar-denominated debt [3] and then went and violated sanctions in dollar-denominated transactions. This is a far cry from extraterritorial enforcement for either the U.S. or C…

So if some Western company would trade with Ukraine or Georgia in violation of Russian sanctions, should their representatives be arrested and extradited to Russia? Also, after Russia-Ukraine conflict many Ukranian politicians are under a criminal investigation in Russia (and I guess Russian politicians are investigated in Ukraine). Should they be extradited too?

For a similar reason is why google had move all of their employees out of Russia a few years back.

Yes, if you violate another country’s laws, you are subject to arrest. Whether or not they can actually arrest you depends if you are in their jurisdiction or a jurisdiction that does extradition.

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Post by tathougies »

floatboth wrote: post #120
tathougies wrote: post #107

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> The US govt must not be able to do anything about the HK company's intention to resell. What does that statement mean?

Ah, if it's not buying with the intention to resell that's illegal, but the resale itself, it means nothing. I just think it's weird that the US law handles the resale case. Like they think they have authority over the whole world. The US supposedly loves private property. But this transitive application of trade restrictions sounds like complete disrespect of private property. (And honestly even just any trade restr…

My question was significantly higher level than that. The United States exists to further the objectives of the United States. You made the statement 'The US govt must not be able to...'.

What does that statement mean given that (1) the United States is most certainly able to, (2) the United States merely looks after its own interests, and (3) there is no (earthly at least) authority which can actually judge the United states's actions in this case.

Thus, what does it mean to say ' must not'? By what standard?

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Post by v-yadli »

DenisM wrote: post #196
amingilani wrote: post #21

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This comment is getting a lot of downvotes for a fairly straightforward question, so I just want to remind everyone about one of the HN guidelines: Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith.

The tone of the question reads angry and incredulous, not curious, hence the downvotes. You will also note that the poster of the question never came back to acknowledge the work people put into replying and explaining the situation. I believe that eduction wasn't the intent here.

Your response shows a good example of not interpreting the strongest, or possibly the only intent, of the message.

Your explanation is flawed because it’s derived from how you think of the speaker with no good faith.

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Post by tathougies »

billfruit wrote: post #182
tathougies wrote: post #107

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> The US govt must not be able to do anything about the HK company's intention to resell. What does that statement mean?

Because the Computers are the property of HK company at that time, so the question is do US has any further rights on what is being done with them. This being HP computers, it may be possible that they might even have been made in China/HK themselves. What if it was used second hand computers, aren't their rightful owners free to dispose them at their will without deferment to any trade restrictions sanctioned by the…

> Because the Computers are the property of HK company at that time, so the question is do US has any further rights on what is being done with them.

By the standards of the United states of America, yes the government of the United States of America has every right to do so.

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Post by Maximus9000 »

parthdesai wrote: post #228
msie wrote: post #66

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It's sad how this has become a fact because it's insinuated enough times in the press by the same few reporters. First it was Chinese foreigners buying up all the real estate, but that was proven false. Now, it's all these foreigners are laundering their money. Yes, a few (although the RCMP is having trouble with their money laundering case) but not all. The press simplifies and that becomes the reality that everyone…

Though it's not. There is a property management company out of Hong Kong/China that owns 30 condos in my unit and rents it out to tenants. I work near One Bloor and if you see the demographic over there it's all non-english speaking Asian people. Heck the Nordstorm rack in that Condo accepts WePay. Where else have you seen that in Toronto?

> Heck the Nordstorm rack in that Condo accepts WePay.

To be fair, I think all Nordsrom's in Canada accept WePay now. WePay is accepted in Nordrsom's Ottawa as well

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Post by mtw »

wgerard wrote: post #268
_cs2017_ wrote: post #261

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[1] is a claim by some guy without any proof. In addition, the guy is clearly interested in selling his security services. As for [2], [3]: I don't think there's any special law about people who use US dollars being under US jurisdiction.

Uh I mean, maybe not officially but there's a whole lot of precedent that if you engage in trade using USD that you're under US jurisdiction.

Really. How valid is that? If an American tourist uses 20USD to pay for a meal in Montreal or Toronto (which happens a lot), what's the logic that this falls under US jurisdiction.

If it's true, I'd avoid USD like plague

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