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Re: The latest on Messages, Allo, Duo and Hangouts

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https://appear.in/

I've liked using that in the past. They seem to require a login now.

Looks like you need a login to create a room, but not to join one.

Someone at some point in the past has created this one, for example:

https://appear.in/lolbutts

And you can join it as a guest.

Re: The latest on Messages, Allo, Duo and Hangouts

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The text of the blog post is very confusing at best. I consistently got the feeling we have no idea how to do messaging, and we are throwing many things to see which one sticks. In other words, the blog post felt like it was a post about telling how we have no idea what we are doing using some thousand words. Messages app is very primitive. I like hangouts way more. I can hop from text message to video chat with fami…

(Googler also, also unrelated product) I felt like Allo was actually a really great product. Comparing it's UX and features to other messaging apps out there, I felt like it was one of the most polished (iMessage or FB Messenger being similar). From a product strategy POV, it felt like a product targeting Asia (specifically India, as it launched with Indian themed sticker packs), at least at launch, but that changed…

> Hangouts is... something special.

Would you, please, elaborate?

Re: The latest on Messages, Allo, Duo and Hangouts

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Does anyone think that now is Microsoft's best chance to revive Skype as a household name synonymous with chat and video calls? I doubt anyone would want to use any chat app from Google anymore, Facebook is getting really bad PR which could affect WhatsApp as well soon enough. Signal and Telegram are good alternatives but lack marketing muscle. Slack and Discord are mainly used for group chat in professional and gami…

I use skype right now to chat with some friends and it actually works really well for me. Cross platform, video calls, captioning now available is really awesome.

Re: The latest on Messages, Allo, Duo and Hangouts

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https://appear.in/

While it's not bad, it has many features that are paid-only and the UI isn't perfect... but I suppose I was spoiled by Hangouts. Thanks for the tip.

The main reason I still use Google Meet is that appear.in has a full-fat P2P model where your video and audio must stream to every user and vice versa. Even with 4 people that can get pretty taxing on a poor connection.

Google does smarter muxing of video and audio streams and is better about throttling video quality to preserve bandwidth when required.

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I have lived back and forth between Europe and the USA over the last few years. Communication is always the most difficult part of the move. It's a reminder of how far off our tech is from the true ideal. In Europe, everyone has WhatsApp. For a while, this was great! One app, one "to reply" list. A taste of what messaging could be. I quickly found myself frustrated. WhatsApp relies on phone numbers, which muddies up…

This is the brilliance of iMessage where it gets critical mass- fallback to SMS but pushing the iMessage identity tied to an account that follows you to new phones/devices.

I think that iMessage network effect is a big reason for the steady market share growth of iPhone in the US- none of the competitive apps have cross-generational appeal, just iMessage.

Re: The latest on Messages, Allo, Duo and Hangouts

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Does anyone think that now is Microsoft's best chance to revive Skype as a household name synonymous with chat and video calls? I doubt anyone would want to use any chat app from Google anymore, Facebook is getting really bad PR which could affect WhatsApp as well soon enough. Signal and Telegram are good alternatives but lack marketing muscle. Slack and Discord are mainly used for group chat in professional and gami…

skype feels too slow for casual messaging. WhatsApp is the best solution right now - both messaging and video/calls.

Re: The latest on Messages, Allo, Duo and Hangouts

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It has to hurt somewhere inside Google to kill Allo but not Duo. I honestly expected the opposite given the original push behind these apps. The problem with all these messaging experiences is that none of them work well on both dekstop and mobile. They seem to be optimized one way or the other. If Google had a Telegram like experience (my favorite messaging app by far) along with their meetings app, their messaging…

> telegram like experience Surely you don't mean fast, cross-platform and saves chat? Because google talk is dead

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Re: The latest on Messages, Allo, Duo and Hangouts

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Hangouts?

Hangout was good but it feels like Google whiteanted this product in the hope people would head to Allo/Duo. While in reality they just pushed people away completely. I find it amazing how these decisions are made... it seems like most people here could see the train wreck coming from this at the beginning. Are the descion makers that bad? Did no-one have the guts to discuss how bad these things looked or were they a…

I suspect the problem with hangouts is that it's free. The new gsuite meeting, or whatever it's called, looks a lot like an upgraded version of hangouts, but you have to pay for it. (Pay for gsuite)

Re: The latest on Messages, Allo, Duo and Hangouts

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Hangouts Chat is such a botched launch. It is backwards compatible with single user chat and not group chats. It effectively ensures that people cannot completely migrate to it. The overhead of keeping 2 apps and getting the same notification twice was too much - ended up going back to classic Hangouts.
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