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Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver

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Re: Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver

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Post by baby »

sh4z wrote: post #119
MetalGuru wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seriously. It's this fiction that makes me believe that, despite it's flaws, America (along with other democratic countries) is a beacon compared to the rest of the world. A country locking up a foreigner for breaking their laws is so different than a country locking up said foreigner out of retaliation, which is what I imagine China will end up doing.

This comment reeks of arrogance. American beacon? as if the tables were turned arresting someone out of retaliation isn't what the US would do.

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Re: Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver

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Post by forkLding »

MetalGuru wrote: post #63
estsauver wrote: post #22

I would not look forward to being an American businessman abroad in China right now. I think we're all used to the fiction that we live in a world that's totally governed by fairness and laws. That's been a pretty useful fiction for a long time, and in (some) of the developed world that's basically been how it's worked. But I really wonder how many shocks this system can take. I would bet money that an important US e…

Seriously. It's this fiction that makes me believe that, despite it's flaws, America (along with other democratic countries) is a beacon compared to the rest of the world. A country locking up a foreigner for breaking their laws is so different than a country locking up said foreigner out of retaliation, which is what I imagine China will end up doing.

US toppled democratically-elected govts in other countries, one of which indirectly created the Islamic Iran of today, its not a idealistic beacon of hope, its just the current world hegemon with 800 military bases all over the world, the British empire of its time:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27état

I've see US soldiers in the Middle East while I was there, generically they're just people but in a way theres something strange about a US military base in another country. I was born an expat during the Gulf War period and US is really seen as a big advanced petrodollar bully in the region and has really only brought even more death and chaos to Iraq than Saddam did ironically. Kofi Annan, past UN Secretary General, himself has said that the Iraq war was unjust but then again I'm just reminiscing about something the US and US citizens no longer cares about. Iraq is now just another failed state, and the deaths there don't matter.

Re: Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver

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Post by mac01021 »

baby wrote: post #247
estsauver wrote: post #22

I would not look forward to being an American businessman abroad in China right now. I think we're all used to the fiction that we live in a world that's totally governed by fairness and laws. That's been a pretty useful fiction for a long time, and in (some) of the developed world that's basically been how it's worked. But I really wonder how many shocks this system can take. I would bet money that an important US e…

Most people commenting here have never been to China. As a foreigner you enjoy a freedom greater than in the US.

I have spent a total of a few months in China and have not perceived the phenomenon to which you allude.

Re: Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver

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Post by rdl »

I’m curious where she was flying. If Chinese execs can’t do China to Mexico via Canada connections, that will be interesting. (I am pretty sure she was actively avoiding connections in the US. Overflight of the US is bad if you are Snowden level but it isn’t quite as risky as connecting in Canada and way less than connecting in the US, since the US doesn’t do sterile transit.)

Re: Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver

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Post by [deleted] »

dsl wrote: post #47

A tl;dr to address some of the obvious questions here: In 2013 she set up a Hong Kong shell company called Skycom Tech. That company (attempted to) purchase HP computers from the United States and resell them to Iran. The deal did not involve Huawei products, but many of the documents related to the deal were labeled "Huawei confidential" indicating they created the shell company to conceal their involvement. She bro…

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Re: Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver

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Post by freeone3000 »

djsumdog wrote: post #235
dreamcompiler wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article suggests she took US-made products and routed them to Iran through Huawei. That's a US crime, and the US can issue a warrant for her arrest, and if she shows up in a country with extradition to the US, she can get arrested. Which is apparently what happened.

This only works one way though. No one arrested Ronald Regan for selling guns to the contras to fund the revolution in Iran. The US gets to do this because might makes right.

The US did, in fact, arrest the arms salesmen: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brokers_of_Death_arms_case

Regean had sovereign immunity, so he could not be personally tried.

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Post by dreamcompiler »

floatboth wrote: post #101
dsl wrote: post #47

A tl;dr to address some of the obvious questions here: In 2013 she set up a Hong Kong shell company called Skycom Tech. That company (attempted to) purchase HP computers from the United States and resell them to Iran. The deal did not involve Huawei products, but many of the documents related to the deal were labeled "Huawei confidential" indicating they created the shell company to conceal their involvement. She bro…

It's kinda scary that the US can do anything about straw purchases. US company sells to HK company, the stuff becomes property of HK company, US should be completely out of the goddamn picture at this point, HK company sells to Iran, done. The US govt must not be able to do anything about the HK company's intention to resell.

This is not because the US is the big dog in the world (well okay, that's a factor, but not the main factor). This is because these things are always reciprocal cooperation agreements. The US goes to Canada (or some other country) and says "Hey, if you'll help us enforce our embargoes, we'll help you enforce yours." And the other country says "Deal!"

EDIT: Above is the carrot. There are also sticks that can be brought to bear, like import tariffs.

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Post by torstenvl »

Benjamin_Dobell wrote: post #198
Retric wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Look for laws to be enforced cops need to be aware of them. Specialists exist both on the government side as say food safty inspectors etc, and the private side as compliance officers. So, rules like this are not obscure for people building factory’s to manufacture cheddar and your local cops are not going to know about this crap they are searching your house for something else. This actually works really well, as we…

It's just a bit odd that highly specific examples like this make it into written law. A pretty clear example of what happens when you have a Government that can be heavily influenced by corporate lobbying. I don't think your average reasonable person is in opposition to requirements to label food correctly and not mislead consumers. These things are already written in law, in the case of food it's governed by the FDA…

I don't understand your argument. You seem to be opposed to specificity in the written prohibition. So what's the alternative? You'd prefer it if FDA regulations didn't have the force of law? Or would you prefer it if FDA regulations were secret, unwritten, unavailable for cheddar manufacturers and cheddar manufacturer compliance officers to examine? Neither of those seem like good solutions.

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Post by torstenvl »

Benjamin_Dobell wrote: post #229
wbl wrote: post #219

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is it odd to have identity standards for food?

It's not, and I never said that it was; quite the opposite actually. I said that it's odd that these things are written in law seems as we already have laws that cover this more broadly. Attempting to maintain in written law explicit definitions of every food that humans can fathom, and how they are presently produced, is clearly untenable.

Seems pretty clearly tenable to me. It is, in fact, being tened. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Post by [deleted] »

ssnistfajen wrote: post #78
anonymous5133 wrote: post #30

I also wonder what this is going to do to Canada's real estate market considering that Canada has basically been a "safe haven" for Chinese nationals to flock to basically launder their money.

Basically any time someone who has more money than you do purchases something you can't afford, it's automatically assumed that they are laundering their money? It's difficult to take housing issues in Vancouver seriously because paranoia nonsense like "all Chinese are money launderers" just wouldn't stop coming. As soon as a discussion happens, it gets swarmed by (dare I say it) bigots and immediately derailed.

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