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'Dark fluid' with negative mass could dominate the universe

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Re: 'Dark fluid' with negative mass could dominate the universe

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is, we can't see them because they emit dark energy "light". /s

We would see gamma radiation producing events at the interaction interface, even if it is just interstellar gas occasionally colliding. Not to mention the occasional universe bleaching bursts of energy that comes from an antimatter galaxy colliding with a regular matter galaxy.

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Re: 'Dark fluid' with negative mass could dominate the universe

#82

Here comes the Alcubierre Warp Drive!

To quote the author https://twitter.com/Astro_Jamie/status/1070343971338153984

> It is quite likely that the negative masses in this study are a mathematical tool, rather than real physical matter. This rules out a lot of sci-fi, which is disappointing of course!

Re: 'Dark fluid' with negative mass could dominate the universe

#83

If you put a negative mass and positive mass side by side and release from rest, they will accelerate indefinitely and break conservation of energy. Of course science should be open to any possibility, no matter how strange. But I feel the author understates its strangeness. And requiring negative mass to be continually created makes this theory not all that much "simpler" than the standard dark matter+dark energy.

I'm not sure I think infinite repulsion is any stranger than infinite attraction, which is how we think gravity works now.

Re: 'Dark fluid' with negative mass could dominate the universe

#84

If you put a negative mass and positive mass side by side and release from rest, they will accelerate indefinitely and break conservation of energy. Of course science should be open to any possibility, no matter how strange. But I feel the author understates its strangeness. And requiring negative mass to be continually created makes this theory not all that much "simpler" than the standard dark matter+dark energy.

They would accelerate indefinitely, but it wouldn't break conservation of energy. Gravitational force is inversely proportional to distance^2, so potential energy (integral from 0 to infinity of Force dx) still converges to a finite number.

Same with normal gravity, but backwards.

Re: 'Dark fluid' with negative mass could dominate the universe

#85
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Would this be only gravitational mass that's negative or would it be both gravitational mass and inertial mass? Because negative inertial mass is zany and wierds me out. Negative gravitational mass behaves in a way that makes sense to me.

It's explained in the paper.

Re: 'Dark fluid' with negative mass could dominate the universe

#86

>The gravity from the positive mass galaxy attracts negative masses from all directions, and as the negative mass fluid comes nearer to the galaxy it in turn exerts a stronger repulsive force onto the galaxy that allows it to spin at higher speeds without flying apart. I don't get this, seems contradictory.

Negative mass inverts signs in ways that are not intuitive. Best explanation is a diagram from the author's twitter page [0][1].

When a positive and negative mass particle interact gravitationally the positive mass is repelled and the negative mass is attracted.

[0] https://twitter.com/Astro_Jamie/status/1070303556266283008

[1] https://i.redd.it/qt2tf2tbni221.jpg

Re: 'Dark fluid' with negative mass could dominate the universe

#89
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Paper: https://arxiv.org/pdf/1712.07962.pdf Not a physicist, but my summary of the author's point would be: If you allow for matter with a negative mass and plug it into a n-body simulation. You seem to get what looks like dark matter from first principles. Namely, a halo of non interacting matter around galaxies in just the right "non-cuspy" shape. Their conclusion is that this is worth considering, as almost all ma…

Is it true that every other forces besides gravity is polarised? There's a repulsive nuclear strong force and an attractive nuclear weak force? EDIT: Partial answer is that there is a three-"color" polarization for strong force. I feel like it somewhat weakens the argument of "everything else is polarized, why not gravity" if the other forces are polarized in unique ways.

Strong nuclear force is always attractive.

Re: 'Dark fluid' with negative mass could dominate the universe

#90
Stupid non-physicist question here: we know the universe is expanding, but where does it expand at? Are there physical areas which we can observe growing? And if so, shouldn't that mean that we observe distant objects as lighter than their interactions with closer objects would imply?
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