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Waymo One: The next step on our self-driving journey

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Re: Waymo One: The next step on our self-driving journey

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Post by lern_too_spel »

frutiger wrote: post #100
YeGoblynQueenne wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> Keeping the safety drivers in the beginning, scaling up, and getting a year or more worth of actual real world use, before slowly scaling back the drivers is what I'd call a very responsible choice. I'm sorry but where does this "one year" expectation come from? What says that Waymo needs a year (or two years, or ten, or three months, etc) to start "scaling back the drivers"? From what I can tell, the only way to…

The exact paragraph you quoted says “a year or more”.

That paragraph is not in the article or anything Waymo has said.

Re: Waymo One: The next step on our self-driving journey

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Post by anonymousCar »

ehsankia wrote: post #97
YeGoblynQueenne wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> Keeping the safety drivers in the beginning, scaling up, and getting a year or more worth of actual real world use, before slowly scaling back the drivers is what I'd call a very responsible choice. I'm sorry but where does this "one year" expectation come from? What says that Waymo needs a year (or two years, or ten, or three months, etc) to start "scaling back the drivers"? From what I can tell, the only way to…

No, the only way to know how well it's doing is for it to get enough "interesting" miles, and then compare the success rate of those miles to similar human-driven miles. Right now Waymo is past 8 million miles driven. Miles driven is a better and normalized metric, with comparable real world statistics, unlike time.

Waymo is past 8 million miles total, how many miles on the latest version of the software? Certainly there are new features that are there in the last half than the first half? I think miles count is a bad metric and if it wasn't, Tesla would be the front runner.

Re: Waymo One: The next step on our self-driving journey

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Post by MetalGuru »

YeGoblynQueenne wrote: post #91
cromwellian wrote: post #47

Keeping the safety drivers in the beginning, scaling up, and getting a year or more worth of actual real world use, before slowly scaling back the drivers is what I'd call a very responsible choice. IMHO, to do less would be reckless showboating that could do unimaginable damage to the AV industry, as well as end up endangering lives. In the tech industry, we don't like to wait, we like moving fast, taking risks, shi…

>> Keeping the safety drivers in the beginning, scaling up, and getting a year or more worth of actual real world use, before slowly scaling back the drivers is what I'd call a very responsible choice. I'm sorry but where does this "one year" expectation come from? What says that Waymo needs a year (or two years, or ten, or three months, etc) to start "scaling back the drivers"? From what I can tell, the only way to…

From what I can tell, the only way to judge the competence of their driverless systems is to compare where they are today with were they were 10 years ago

That’s hardly the only way to judge the competence of their driverless systems.

Re: Waymo One: The next step on our self-driving journey

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Post by Judgmentality »

Fricken wrote: post #94
Ajedi32 wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think that line is going to a bit more blurry than you think. Waymo has already done fully driverless testing during the early rider program, with plans to roll that out to Waymo One in the future[1]: > We’re never done learning, and our early rider program will continue as a way for a select group to give us ongoing insights. They’ll help test early features before those new capabilities graduate to Waymo One. For…

I've been following the industry so closely for so long that I have a bottle of champagne in the fridge to commemorate the day that a publicly accessible, fully driverless pilot project opens up somewhere in the world, and that bottle has been in the fridge for 3 years now. However anticlimactic it may be when it arrives, that day is nonetheless the day when, in my mind, self driving cars have officially gone from ze…

Assuming you are the same Fricken from reddit, it has been interesting watching your demeanor become more and more...realistic as time has gone on.

And it's still unclear to me if everybody is having their NDAs lifted, as they are making a distinction between early riders and Waymo One but not specifying if everybody is making the transition or just a handful of people (or hell, even any).

As always, time will tell - the rollout of this technology has been slow to those of us who have been following it over the years.

Re: Waymo One: The next step on our self-driving journey

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Post by robotresearcher »

YeGoblynQueenne wrote: post #91
cromwellian wrote: post #47

Keeping the safety drivers in the beginning, scaling up, and getting a year or more worth of actual real world use, before slowly scaling back the drivers is what I'd call a very responsible choice. IMHO, to do less would be reckless showboating that could do unimaginable damage to the AV industry, as well as end up endangering lives. In the tech industry, we don't like to wait, we like moving fast, taking risks, shi…

>> Keeping the safety drivers in the beginning, scaling up, and getting a year or more worth of actual real world use, before slowly scaling back the drivers is what I'd call a very responsible choice. I'm sorry but where does this "one year" expectation come from? What says that Waymo needs a year (or two years, or ten, or three months, etc) to start "scaling back the drivers"? From what I can tell, the only way to…

> the only way to judge the competence of their driverless systems is to compare where they are today with were they were 10 years ago when they started out.

How does a self-relative measure capture the absolute goodness of the vehicle?

I'm much better at skiing than I was two years ago, but I'm not ready for the Olympics. My history is irrelevant to my ability.

Re: Waymo One: The next step on our self-driving journey

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Post by Animats »

"At first, Waymo-trained drivers will supervise our Waymo One vehicles."

That's about where they've been for years now - almost autonomous, with a safety driver. Back in November, Waymo started sending some cars out without a safety driver. But they backed off on that.[1]

I'm disappointed. I thought Waymo was ready to launch a real self-driving system. But no, not yet.

[1] https://www.theinformation.com/articles/waymos-cars-play-it-...

Re: Waymo One: The next step on our self-driving journey

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Post by buboard »

talawahdotnet wrote: post #3

> Waymo One is rolling out in the Metro Phoenix area first. Over time, we hope to expand to new places and more people. You can sign up to express interest using the form at the bottom of this page[1] (asks for your gmail address, zip code and type of phone). P.S. Why is the mobile experience on Medium so frustratingly bad? Between the permanent heading plus the "please download our app" heading I find it maddening.…

> Why is the mobile experience on Medium so frustratingly bad?

I believe they are trying to gain negative publicity, because you know, all publicity is good. you see such comments about every article (some of them by me)

Re: Waymo One: The next step on our self-driving journey

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Post by buboard »

spuz wrote: post #15
talawahdotnet wrote: post #3

> Waymo One is rolling out in the Metro Phoenix area first. Over time, we hope to expand to new places and more people. You can sign up to express interest using the form at the bottom of this page[1] (asks for your gmail address, zip code and type of phone). P.S. Why is the mobile experience on Medium so frustratingly bad? Between the permanent heading plus the "please download our app" heading I find it maddening.…

Don't worry, Medium on desktop is equally bad. Two persistent banners bottom and top plus a "pardon the interruption" popup. I really wish companies wouldn't use Medium as their blogging platform.

but do you know we have cookies? And now please, would you like some tracking before proceeding to marvel at our giant header and footer flanking 3KB of plaintext?

Re: Waymo One: The next step on our self-driving journey

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Post by buboard »

a-wu wrote: post #84

I can’t wait for wheelchair accessible vehicles to be equipped with this technology. It looks like they’re using Chrysler Pacificas which already have wheelchair ramp conversions from VMI and Braun. Since the self driving equipment seems to be on the top of the vehicle, it seems trivial to mount it on a converted Pacifica. As a quadriplegic who doesn’t drive (yet), the possibilities with this excite me greatly.

Yeah i was hoping that waymo would make those a priority. It's a small market for smaller companies to invest in, but it should be very successful.

Re: Waymo One: The next step on our self-driving journey

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Post by bryanlarsen »

Animats wrote: post #116

"At first, Waymo-trained drivers will supervise our Waymo One vehicles." That's about where they've been for years now - almost autonomous, with a safety driver. Back in November, Waymo started sending some cars out without a safety driver. But they backed off on that.[1] I'm disappointed. I thought Waymo was ready to launch a real self-driving system. But no, not yet. [1] https://www.theinformation.com/articles/waym…

According to the article on the verge, they are testing and will continue testing without human drivers via the Early Rider program.
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