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Ask HN: What to do after $8M (all cash, post tax) exit?

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Re: Ask HN: What to do after $8M (all cash, post tax) exit?

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This is a great thread. Throwaway also. Gonna write some stream-of-consciousness here, because I have to start my work day, but I personally made approx. this amount from an exit, and it has gone very well for me and my family (wife + 3 kids). Some additional fine-tuned advice of what worked for me: (1) don't be afraid to spend money - high hourly rates - for a good accountant and good tax attorney. (2) if I were you…

I disagree on not hiring an adviser. The key is to know what kind of adviser they are. If they are a fee-only adviser with fiduciary responsibility, it is likely exceptionally worthwhile. It sounds like you have a good handle on how to manage your finances, but there is a LOT to know. Minimizing taxes, planning children's' college, etc. Also, the good ones don't charge a flat 1% all the way up. They will charge less…

The problem is that the industry is littered with con artists and the downside damage an unethical person can do to your finances is horrific.

The best thing is to read, read, and read more before even looking for outside consultation on any of these matters.

Re: Ask HN: What to do after $8M (all cash, post tax) exit?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

My view is those people are banking on stock market performance that is influenced by a massive bubble still underway. I think in 3-5 years a bunch of them will regret this decision, as their net worths will have been cut in half or worse. I’m curious what you think about that.

>I think in 3-5 years a bunch of them will regret this decision, as their net worths will have been cut in half or worse. I’m curious what you think about that. I think you're a panic seller. 3-5 years is nothing.

Yes but if you've been happily spending 4%, which turns into 8% because the market is down 50%, do the math on that.

Re: Ask HN: What to do after $8M (all cash, post tax) exit?

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Friend of mine in his 60s who was semi retired for the last 15 years had all his brokerage accounts emptied by hackers this year. He might get his money back, but might not. Make sure you use 2fa for all accounts. I prefer RSA secureID where you have a detached fob. Your phone can be hacked and hackers can then get verification codes.

Dont invest in anything except (almost) guaranteed returns for now(1 year CDs are starting to pay 2-3%) .

An emergency fund of 2+ years expenses in cash.

Slowly increase your standard of living over a long period of time (or not at all). I operate from a budget, not from cash in the bank. Religiously stick to the budget (this is hard) but dont beat yourself up if you go over. Quicken does a reasonably decent job of setting up a budget and allows you to keep spending in various "accounts" under control.

The standard safe withdrawl rate is 3%. Im planning for a more conservative 1.5% approach. This means you can take out up to 3% of your total funds each year and never run out. At 8m and 1.5% safe withdrawl you still need to work.

The strategy requires you to have a reasonably significant percent in the market. While the market could keep going up, I think you can wait a few years for the inevitable recession, but eventually you will have to get it into index funds.

I make a good income from my business and it is easy to get sloppy when I have too much cash. Last year at a fundraiser I got drunk and dropped 30K. Im not mad about the donation, but Im mad about the way I did it while being out of control.

Also this account is an example of a wasted $100k :)

Re: Ask HN: What to do after $8M (all cash, post tax) exit?

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I recently went through a major liquidity event myself a few months ago (Wombat Security Technologies). Here are some things my wife and I have done:

- Get a financial advisor. Make sure that they have fiduciary responsibility, that their job is to help you, rather than just fees. Talk to several different ones and find one that you're comfortable with. Note that you will eventually have to spend a fair amount of time learning about all the different kinds of investments that are out there. One surprise for me: I already knew about diversifying your portfolio, but had previously only heard about doing that based on assets. It's also useful to diversify over time too, that is slowly add more investments over time, rather than doing it all at once (since that's timing the market, and you might get lucky, and you might not).

- Get an accountant. You will absolutely need one to handle the taxes.

- Read up on Qualified Small Business Stock. If your company and length of your stock ownership qualify, it could be a quite large benefit for you regarding taxes.

- Set up a Donor Advised Fund. Ok, it's probably too late if you already got the money in the bank, but this would let you donate the stock in a way that would save you a lot on taxes, and allow you to direct money to charities you and your family care about.

- Get this book: Silver Spoon Kids. Our financial advisor got this for us, and I found it incredibly helpful as to how to talk to kids about money, especially to make sure that they don't end messed up. This can be quite common among financially well-off folks.

- Set up a last will and testament. This should be done after you have kids. It's no longer just about you, you have your kids to think about, and what happens if both parents meet an untimely end. You will want a probate lawyer to go through this process.

- Max out your insurance, ie auto, home, etc. People with money can sometimes be targets for lawsuits, for a variety of reasons. Maxing out insurance will help with a lot of things.

- Also echoing a lot of the previous advice, take things slow. Don't make any rush judgements or investments. Time is on your side, and besides taxes, there's no rush here. The interest you would get from just a money market fund will be ridiculous.

Also, the big surprise for me? Well, as you can see above, managing a windfall is actually a lot of work. But think of it as an upfront investment, to make sure that things go more smoothly later on.

Good luck!

Re: Ask HN: What to do after $8M (all cash, post tax) exit?

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The thing that concerns me is that "I do not think I have any real hobbies." I suggest continuing to work, but perhaps being pickier about where you work. Perhaps there's a dream job you've always wanted to do that up until now wasn't feasible because it doesn't pay enough, like fireman, park ranger, teacher, musician, etc? The key here is to have an obligation (people depend on you) and social interaction. Also, see…

For you or anyone else who is looking for hobbies, there is an enormous universe of amazing projects that desperately need volunteers with modest levels of skill.

I run a small science fiction magazine with some friends and we're always looking for support to help this project grow. What we need most is volunteers who can commit enough time to learn the ropes and move the project forward - it's hard to find anyone who can commit more than an hour or two a week.

Pick literally anything that you are interested in, and there's likely a community of people trying to do interesting things in that field. All you have to do is reach out! So, go get 'em.

You have the freedom to chose what you do with your time, but that freedom could become crippling if you don't fill it with something that you find meaningful/fulfilling.

Re: Ask HN: What to do after $8M (all cash, post tax) exit?

#417
Don't do anything sudden, as others have said. But as you start to adjust to this, you may realize that there is something, or a few things, that you have wanted to do, but never could because of money. That place you wanted to go on your honeymoon, but it would have cost $2000 more than you could afford? You can go there now, on a second honeymoon. Take in a game at Yankee Stadium, even though you live in the Bay Area? You can do that now.

There may be several such things. Most of them don't take that much money (from your current perspective). Pick one of them and do it. (Note well: don't go do everything that you've ever wanted to do but couldn't afford to do. As I said, pick one.) You don't have to do it right away. It can wait a month, or a year, until it's sunk in that it's OK to spend a bit more money than I used to. Not a lot - you don't want to drastically change your lifestyle. But you also want to have some benefit from the money. When you've adjusted to the point that you feel free to spend $2K or $10K on something that you've wanted to do, but couldn't, well, go do that.

And now a negative: Pay attention to your marriage. As others have said, spend time with your kids, but don't forget your marriage. Bluntly, your wife can now afford to divorce you. Do your best to see that she never wants to.

Re: Ask HN: What to do after $8M (all cash, post tax) exit?

#418
Don’t donate it. That would be rash. You can always donate down the line once you’ve wrapped your mind around it.

Depending on your lifestyle you should be able to basically retire. A decent rule of thumb is 4% (maybe less) income on conservative investments, so that should get you around $300,000/year in income if you just take a deep breath and learn the basics.

Lots of advice on this thread is good, definitely put it somewhere safe and get your bearings.

Also, this windfall means your kids can graduate college with no student loan debt, that’s worth something.

Definitely be chill, read all the advice, do basically nothing, read all the advice again, and start to figure out what matters to you. How do you want to live your life for the next couple of decades?

And what does your wife want? That matters, I imagine.

Edit: the implied assumption of this and many other posts here is “don’t spend your capital.” Start there. Preserve that 8million, never spend (including donate) any of it. Use it to make interest in a conservative manner which you can spend as you like. (Including donating to the needy)

Re: Ask HN: What to do after $8M (all cash, post tax) exit?

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As someone who has been in your shoes to a lesser degree, here are some things I learned: It is best to not upgrade your lifestyle at all, but instead to use your position to bring broken people out of the pit. Here is why: - 1. It is better to end the suffering of someone else than to make your own already-awesome life slightly better. - 2. If you lose everything like I did, you will have actually lost nothing and o…

Great advice right here. Pretty much every philosopher worth his/her salt will point out that money and power can't buy happiness...but feeling like you are making a meaningful difference in some way just might

Re: Ask HN: What to do after $8M (all cash, post tax) exit?

#420

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I think in 3-5 years a bunch of them will regret this decision, as their net worths will have been cut in half or worse. I’m curious what you think about that. I think you're a panic seller. 3-5 years is nothing.

Yes but if you've been happily spending 4%, which turns into 8% because the market is down 50%, do the math on that.

The % is based on the original amount, inflation adjusted, and yes you absolutely should tighten your belt during down years.

Your argument is given ad nauseam, there's article after article, reddit thread after reddit thread, blog after blog explaining why your concern is a non-issue.

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