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Post by protomyth »

hinkley wrote: post #107
protomyth wrote: post #80

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Fire everyone involved in the NSFW filtering. Clearly this wasn't even tested. This is the part I really don't understand. Wouldn't you do a test run through their site and do some checking? You cannot claim you don't have examples available.

Image analysis takes time. You’d have X servers to deal with new images and either a whole lot more to catch up on the back catalog or more simply just soft launch weeks or months ahead of time. I hope whoever is in charge of quality just had a coup instead of being blamed for this.

Sure it takes time, but before the public ever sees anything, I just have a tough time believing they didn't test it on the inventory of images (or at least a large subset) before inflicting it on the public. Improper testing is a PR embarrassment and has real consequences.

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Post by shaklee3 »

superkuh wrote: post #110
shaklee3 wrote: post #82

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Your link only goes back to the beginning of 2018. Pao left in 2015.and your link is comparing overall rankings of websites. That in no way tells you anything about redditt's traffic growth. https://www.statista.com/chart/11882/number-of-subreddits-on...

The banning of completely legal and non-controversial content didn't stop with Pao. That was the start. It's only accelerated. And that's what you see in the stats. Reddit is down in popularity since 2015. They abandoned their userbase and are attempting to bootstrap up into a gentrified facebook clone with new emphasis on personal identity (ie, having people post to their user profile pages instead of subreddits, an…

If you make that assertion please provide data in the form of graphs or tables. All I said was pao left in 2015, and during that time I remember Reddit users predicting it would go there way of digg. It didn't.

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Post by phailhaus »

newen wrote: post #108
phailhaus wrote: post #92

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Who's obsessed with food: someone who eats three times a day or someone who tries not to eat at all? A society with a healthy attitude towards sex will have prostitution and pornography, because sex is normal and part of being human. I would say that a society obsessed with repressing sexuality has issues.

That's a terrible argument. I know plenty of fat people who eat three times a day and are obsessed with food. And I'm sure there are lots of skinny people who eat twice a day and don't think about food that much. I have gone weeks like that. Women who do prostitution and pornography do so because they have few choices. Prostitution and pornography are also markers for human trafficking. Because both prostitution and…

> I know plenty of fat people who eat three times a day and are obsessed with food.

You're taking the analogy in the wrong direction. The point is that the person who is trying to stop eating is obsessed with food, not that "people who eat three times a day are never obsessed with food". The point is that sex is a part of life, and trying to stifle pornography and prostitution is as misguided and counterproductive as trying to stop eating.

> Prostitution and pornography are also markers for human trafficking.

And why is that? Because it's illegal and unregulated. You're accidentally making a circular argument here: it's illegal, therefore the actors in the industry tend to be Bad People, so they contribute to the degradation of society, therefore it should be illegal? Look at Prohibition, or the legalization of marijuana in the US. It's not the thing itself that leads to degradation, it's the unwillingness to be mature about it.

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Post by pixl97 »

newen wrote: post #108
phailhaus wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who's obsessed with food: someone who eats three times a day or someone who tries not to eat at all? A society with a healthy attitude towards sex will have prostitution and pornography, because sex is normal and part of being human. I would say that a society obsessed with repressing sexuality has issues.

That's a terrible argument. I know plenty of fat people who eat three times a day and are obsessed with food. And I'm sure there are lots of skinny people who eat twice a day and don't think about food that much. I have gone weeks like that. Women who do prostitution and pornography do so because they have few choices. Prostitution and pornography are also markers for human trafficking. Because both prostitution and…

You know what, it's a great idea to both reduce usage and create a terrible black market that brings far more harm than the original problem. Regulating vice is a very dangerous road to travel on. Your good intentions pave the path to hell.

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Post by pixl97 »

newen wrote: post #109
PhasmaFelis wrote: post #86

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What? That's a huge stretch. Prostitution, for one, has been common in pretty much every culture throughout history, so I don't know what you think we're "degrading" from.

Are we just going to pretend that christian morality (in the general sense) doesn't exist and lots of people don't follow that morality? I don't see how that's a stretch unless you pretend that the morality of whole swathes of people are not valid because you have another set of morals. It's not a huge stretch at all.

Ones morality is the justification for every atrocity.

I'll assume every morality is invalid. Instead base ones intent on the harms their actions cause.

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Post by pixl97 »

shaklee3 wrote: post #61
loudmax wrote: post #38

I read a lot of posts on Reddit bemoaning Tumblr's decision to stop carrying adult content. A lot of people there and here feel that this decision spells the end of the company. That may be the case, but I never understood how Tumblr was profiting from hosting all that adult content to begin with. I presume they're selling ads, in which case disassociating themselves from anything that could be considered pornographi…

Keep in mind Reddit users also predicted the death of Reddit during the pao/banning fiasco. It's only grown since then.

Grown != profiting.

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Post by shiburizu »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #66
jonathanstrange wrote: post #4

Tumblr is dead. I give it three months before it's forgotten by the majority of its former user base.

So the question is where will that userbase go, now might be the time to position yourself to accept them if you're a similar site .. I probably wouldn't be here [on HN] if Slashdot/Digg/etc. hadn't screwed up in the past.

I want to believe Newgrounds can recapture a large amount of illustrators who have Patreon accounts and large amounts of work, because they have excellent categorization features and hosts both SFW/NSFW stuff.

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Post by dragonwriter »

pixl97 wrote: post #115
newen wrote: post #109

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Are we just going to pretend that christian morality (in the general sense) doesn't exist and lots of people don't follow that morality? I don't see how that's a stretch unless you pretend that the morality of whole swathes of people are not valid because you have another set of morals. It's not a huge stretch at all.

Ones morality is the justification for every atrocity. I'll assume every morality is invalid. Instead base ones intent on the harms their actions cause.

> I'll assume every morality is invalid. Instead base ones intent on the harms their actions cause.

Assessment of harms depends on a value system; you can't escape the need to choose a morality.

Re: Tumblr’s anti-porn algorithm is flagging basically everything as NSFW

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Post by shiburizu »

I feel like the discourse might be missing the point, starting at why we are here: Tumblr was removed from the App Store. Tumblr is a website but without a doubt it thrives on being a mobile app on iPhones and iPads. This ended up happening because of course the NSFW content on Tumblr is notable, even if we don't know the actual scale. Lots of pornbots and what not.

What concerns is this: Well and good that Apple says "we don't host pornographic communities on our app store" and Oath immediately sacrificed the lamb to appease Apple. How is this a problem after so long? What if I told an Apple executive the exact same content manifests in Twitter and Reddit?

Evidently the app stores have no interest in hosting NSFW artists and the open web should step up.

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Post by pixl97 »

dragonwriter wrote: post #118
pixl97 wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ones morality is the justification for every atrocity. I'll assume every morality is invalid. Instead base ones intent on the harms their actions cause.

> I'll assume every morality is invalid. Instead base ones intent on the harms their actions cause. Assessment of harms depends on a value system; you can't escape the need to choose a morality.

The problem comes not from assuming your chosen morality is wrong, but from demanding that your morality is right.

When your choice of morality affects more then a few close people, it is by definition unjust.

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