I was really bummed to see that the partnership only allowed you to subscribe to ProtonVPN at the full $10 per month price. It's $8 per month if you subscribe for a year and $4 per month if you get the Black Friday / Cyber Monday deal. I would love to support Mozilla this way, but I would also like to benefit from a 60% discount.
Firefox partners with ProtonVPN
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Re: Firefox partners with ProtonVPN
#52I'm really excited about this idea, but I also think it isn't fully baked yet. I'm excited because VPNs are all about shifting trust: I'm no longer trusting Comcast not to sell my data, I'm now trusting SketchyVPN. If SketchyVPN turns out not to be trustworthy, then I'm paying for something that is worth less than $0 to me, and there's no way to detect that as a user. It's like paying more for organic food in a town…
> But the service isn't fully baked yet for me, because they're not explaining how they're enforcing the trustworthiness of ProtonVPN. I have no idea if ProtonVPN is as trustworthy as Mozilla -- maybe it is, but I don't want to learn and stay on top of that. Instead I want premium.firefox.com/vpn/ to convince me that, if I use Mozilla's service, I'm fully benefiting from their trustworthiness.
I'm also interested in this. I cannot help but wonder if the reason is 'because they gave us money to', like Firefox 'partnering' with google to make google search the default provider.
Re: Firefox partners with ProtonVPN
#53I only use firefox. But I don't feel like I can strongly recommend it because of the long list of bad decisions. - Google analytics baked into about:addons - Sending data to Cliqz - Pocket, as a service being added to the topbar - Pocket, as a service being added to the default home/newtab page - Firefox hello - Completely banning unsigned addons - Mr. Robot advert - And now probably this I want a browser that is rel…
Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. These are minor things compared to having no other good choice but the Google browser.
I've never found the "choose this, because the other option(s) suck more" to be a particularly flattering argument for web browsers, programming languages, cars, or politicians.
Re: Firefox partners with ProtonVPN
#54Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well, unsigned addons are banned in the branded release browser. If you use the developer edition, nightly or compile Firefox yourself then you can install unsigned addons into Firefox. The last option also enables you to turn of Pocket and a variety of other services.
Does anyone maintain a branch with precompiled builds that has sideloading turned on + no Pocket / other services? Preferably with autoupdate still working? Firefox is my primary browser on Windows, and I'd love to have this stuff removed, but I'm really not at a point where I can be compiling the code myself.
Icecat[0] might be the closest thing to what you are looking for. It's part of the GNU project.
Re: Firefox partners with ProtonVPN
#55Do these services actually provide a (virtual) private network. For example: can I see my home machine and my phone on the same private network? And then connect them using ssh/scp?
First question: yes, they provide a virtual private network between you and the service endpoint. Second question: no, it's not a general-purpose VPN. It's purely for cloaking traffic to and from anywhere on the internet.
Is there a service that can do the second?
Re: Firefox partners with ProtonVPN
#56Earlier quoted context omitted.
Does anyone maintain a branch with precompiled builds that has sideloading turned on + no Pocket / other services? Preferably with autoupdate still working? Firefox is my primary browser on Windows, and I'd love to have this stuff removed, but I'm really not at a point where I can be compiling the code myself.
Icecat[0] might be the closest thing to what you are looking for. It's part of the GNU project. 0. https://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/
No binary releases for Windows. :(
Re: Firefox partners with ProtonVPN
#57I'm really excited about this idea, but I also think it isn't fully baked yet. I'm excited because VPNs are all about shifting trust: I'm no longer trusting Comcast not to sell my data, I'm now trusting SketchyVPN. If SketchyVPN turns out not to be trustworthy, then I'm paying for something that is worth less than $0 to me, and there's no way to detect that as a user. It's like paying more for organic food in a town…
> But the service isn't fully baked yet for me, because they're not explaining how they're enforcing the trustworthiness of ProtonVPN. I have no idea if ProtonVPN is as trustworthy as Mozilla -- maybe it is, but I don't want to learn and stay on top of that. Instead I want premium.firefox.com/vpn/ to convince me that, if I use Mozilla's service, I'm fully benefiting from their trustworthiness. I'm also interested in…
You can find details about this on Mozilla's blog post on this topic, which also describes what they did to audit ProtonVPN: https://blog.mozilla.org/futurereleases/2018/10/22/testing-n...
Re: Firefox partners with ProtonVPN
#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. These are minor things compared to having no other good choice but the Google browser.
I've never found the "choose this, because the other option(s) suck more" to be a particularly flattering argument for web browsers, programming languages, cars, or politicians.
It's not supposed to be flattering. It's just saying it's the least bad option.
Re: Firefox partners with ProtonVPN
#59Earlier quoted context omitted.
So if I understand correctly, you would want to know the details of how Mozilla audited ProtonVPN, is that it?
Everyone in Vilnius, Lithuania knows, that both, NordVPN and ProtonVPN, are being developed here by the people related to Tesonet, which has been recently sued in Texas Eastern District Court for the patent infringement in "Large-scale web data extraction products and services with residential proxy network ( https://oxylabs.io/ )"[1] by Luminati Networks, an Israeli data mining company behind HolaVPN[2]. The section…
You can find Proton's response to these false allegations here: https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtonVPN/comments/8ww4h2/protonvpn...
Re: Firefox partners with ProtonVPN
#60I only use firefox. But I don't feel like I can strongly recommend it because of the long list of bad decisions. - Google analytics baked into about:addons - Sending data to Cliqz - Pocket, as a service being added to the topbar - Pocket, as a service being added to the default home/newtab page - Firefox hello - Completely banning unsigned addons - Mr. Robot advert - And now probably this I want a browser that is rel…
In that case you would be better served by Google Chrome. I bet it doesn't have Pocket and Firefox hello.
Google chrome has it's own set of problems that I think are worse. Namely giving Google the ability to make services that only work on its browser (which Google has been doing).
The unfortunate part of this is that how much weight you assign to the twos actions is subjective, so I can't tell other people "you should definitely be using firefox instead" in good faith.