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“Greater Toronto Area” = GTA. What a coincidence. Jokes aside, this is bound to happen. It’s disturbing that a vulnerability like this isn’t caught as a show-stopper before the technology is sold to consumers.
All you have to do is keep the fob inside a shielded case at home and you're fine.
This happened to a family member of mine, here in Toronto. Lost their gorgeous M5. Their kid normally wakes up in the middle of the night, except this time, he freaked right out like he was scared. They were wondering what was going on with him, when one of the parents heard the M5 turn on (it's pretty distinct). "That's my car!" His wife said, "Naw, you're crazy, no way." Sure enough, enough, key fob attack and thef…
Once they got very far away from the house, the car should shut off. Or so I would think.
>"They do that for safety so that if you lose the key fob or if it loses signal the vehicle doesn't shut down while you're driving, but that right there is part of the vulnerability."
Anecdata, a few years ago my wife had a Renault "Megane" that used a sort of "card" that worked with proximity. She opened and started/drove it without ever taking the card out of her bag.
A couple of times I was driving it with her in the passenger seat, we arrived to a shop, she got down in front of the door and went into the shop while I was going to park it when the car some 20-30 mt away "locked itself" (cannot remember if it stopped or just didn't allow more than - say - 5 km per hour) with the display saying it couldn't find the card.
When she changed cars, her new Renault (using the same kind of card, at least visually, but a different car model) had to be inserted in a slot to allow the Start/Run button to operate.
> Key fobs are constantly broadcasting a signal that communicates with a specific vehicle, he said, and when it comes into a close enough range, the vehicle will open and start. Why is it transmitting without the user pressing a button? Is that a feature? As you walk up to the car it automatically starts like magic? I'm not familiar with these newer cars.
“Greater Toronto Area” = GTA. What a coincidence. Jokes aside, this is bound to happen. It’s disturbing that a vulnerability like this isn’t caught as a show-stopper before the technology is sold to consumers.
It's not a show-stopper. It's not even close to being a show-stopper any more than having keys is also a vulnerability to having a car stolen. All you have to do is keep the fob inside a shielded case at home and you're fine.
Because we all have Faraday cages in our homes, and I'm sure the salesman who sold the car also made the customer aware of this vulnerability. /sarcasm.
“Greater Toronto Area” = GTA. What a coincidence. Jokes aside, this is bound to happen. It’s disturbing that a vulnerability like this isn’t caught as a show-stopper before the technology is sold to consumers.
It's not a show-stopper. It's not even close to being a show-stopper any more than having keys is also a vulnerability to having a car stolen. All you have to do is keep the fob inside a shielded case at home and you're fine.
“Greater Toronto Area” = GTA. What a coincidence. Jokes aside, this is bound to happen. It’s disturbing that a vulnerability like this isn’t caught as a show-stopper before the technology is sold to consumers.
It's not a show-stopper. It's not even close to being a show-stopper any more than having keys is also a vulnerability to having a car stolen. All you have to do is keep the fob inside a shielded case at home and you're fine.
This happened to a family member of mine, here in Toronto. Lost their gorgeous M5. Their kid normally wakes up in the middle of the night, except this time, he freaked right out like he was scared. They were wondering what was going on with him, when one of the parents heard the M5 turn on (it's pretty distinct). "That's my car!" His wife said, "Naw, you're crazy, no way." Sure enough, enough, key fob attack and thef…
This happened to a family member of mine, here in Toronto. Lost their gorgeous M5. Their kid normally wakes up in the middle of the night, except this time, he freaked right out like he was scared. They were wondering what was going on with him, when one of the parents heard the M5 turn on (it's pretty distinct). "That's my car!" His wife said, "Naw, you're crazy, no way." Sure enough, enough, key fob attack and thef…
What strange is, I can see unlocking the car and even starting it with this attack -- but do the cars not continually (or at least every minute or two) revalidate the presence of the key? Once they got very far away from the house, the car should shut off. Or so I would think.
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Something you have: keyless fob. Something you know: numeric unlock code. Unlocking the doors could be 1FA, but moving the vehicle should require 2FA.
I used to have a numeric lock immobilizer on 3 vehicles starting way back in the early 90s. You had to dial in a 4-6 digit PIN code on a pin pad in the vehicle in order to enable the ignition. You'd need to rip the whole dash apart to enable the ignition to bypass it. Were these types of immobilizers never a thing here?
I shut it off, exited the vehicle, re-locked it, and saw that my own car was actually the next one down the row. There are only so many combinations of pin heights in a car lock.
I have been paranoid about not keeping valuables in my vehicle ever since. That door lock is only keeping someone out for a few minutes, at best.