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Tumblr’s anti-porn algorithm is flagging basically everything as NSFW

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Re: Tumblr’s anti-porn algorithm is flagging basically everything as NSFW

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Post by justtopost »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #64
keypusher wrote: post #5

Oath is desperate to put more ads on Tumblr, because they massively overpaid for it ($1 billion) and have been throwing money at it ever since (100s of millions). I guess because of the way the content is displayed they can't just segregate nsfw stuff into a demonetized stream, but if they think they can turn Tumblr into a mainstream site that shows family-centric ads, they clearly don't understand what they bought.

Reddit seem to be mainstreaming to some extent, nowhere near this though - perhaps they're navigating a better line?

Idk, I was no longer an active user when they did their user hostile redesign after lots of internal political struggle between conde nast and the volunteer mods that actually run the site. But sweet baby jesus is it bad now. While I used to drop by when linked in a relevant search query, i now know Ill just get a nagware screen and skip it altoghether. Yeah, I know I can switch to desktop mode and reload, but no thanks, I already got your message to me loud and clear. They did at least change more slowly, with gradual trimming of offensive content, and a better subbreddit containment system for those they are allowing to stay for now.

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Post by phailhaus »

newen wrote: post #59
xte wrote: post #9

I do never used Tumblr but AFAICT porn is the most common contents, so i bet the major source of revenue... BTW the neovittorian movement against sex in general (disguised in many form to health things, anti-pornography for pedagogic things, anti-prostitution because of racket, ...) it's a clear sign of our degradation as society.

Why? It's not exactly a stretch to day that pornography and prostitution are clear signs of the degradation of a society.

Who's obsessed with food: someone who eats three times a day or someone who tries not to eat at all? A society with a healthy attitude towards sex will have prostitution and pornography, because sex is normal and part of being human. I would say that a society obsessed with repressing sexuality has issues.

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Post by justtopost »

mkane848 wrote: post #84
mcv wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure anyone knows what PC means anymore.

I mean, it's been pretty much the same if you ignore all of the people going "LMAO IM AN ATTACK HELICOPTER" and the like whenever anyone even mentions a social issue

That is a weak strawman. There is absolutely legit debate on the subject.

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Post by forgottenpass »

izzydata wrote: post #88

Why are or why can advertisers be so inflexible with the concept of the internet containing nsfw content?

Because society hasn't wised up to the fact bloggers and news are doing to social media the equivalent of what parent- and religous groups did to box TV and movies into well-defined bounds for allowed content.

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Post by pram »

AJ007 wrote: post #60
dpwm wrote: post #48

It would be quite humorous, and also quite telling of the experience of those implementing this, if it turned out to be classic class imbalance during training. If 90% of the training dataset is nsfw, and you train a classifier naively on that dataset, and your test and validation data is 90% nsfw, then 90% accuracy is very easy.

I would really, really like to know what they are doing. Was it an in-house solution, something from a startup, or something from an established enterprise tech company? One of the things I’ve been saying repeatedly is that companies are going to implement machine learning incorrectly, and there will be obvious failures and blow ups, but the most dangerous and catastrophic failures will be a cascade of things that lo…

They previously implemented a flag feature that users could use to mark NSFW content. That was in 2017. I doubt there’s any ML, it’s probably just people flagging everything for the fun of it.

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Post by wolfgke »

keypusher wrote: post #5

Oath is desperate to put more ads on Tumblr, because they massively overpaid for it ($1 billion) and have been throwing money at it ever since (100s of millions). I guess because of the way the content is displayed they can't just segregate nsfw stuff into a demonetized stream, but if they think they can turn Tumblr into a mainstream site that shows family-centric ads, they clearly don't understand what they bought.

> Oath is desperate to put more ads on Tumblr, because they massively overpaid for it ($1 billion) and have been throwing money at it ever since (100s of millions).

OK, but where is the problem with NSFW content (which is quite different from porn) for this?

I know, I am German, where there is quite a different mentality with this respect (in my hometown I have even seen openly posted bills for a big porn exhibition in Berlin in the past and nobody (except for the churches) was upset).

I can understand that many brands do not want their ads placed next to porn. But where is the problem with other NSFW content?

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Post by LaikaF »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #66
jonathanstrange wrote: post #4

Tumblr is dead. I give it three months before it's forgotten by the majority of its former user base.

So the question is where will that userbase go, now might be the time to position yourself to accept them if you're a similar site .. I probably wouldn't be here [on HN] if Slashdot/Digg/etc. hadn't screwed up in the past.

It seems that most people are going:

- Twitter - Pillowfort - Wordpress - Mastodon

depends a lot on what the user was into posting.

I'm also seeing quite a few more people operating on multiple sites at once now, even SFW blogs. So they'll post Tumblr, Pillowfort, and Wordpress at the same time so their former users can still see them.

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Post by jazzyjackson »

cabalamat wrote: post #22
Waterluvian wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you're pretty much describing Solid https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solid_(web_decentralization_pr... Though I could be wrong. I never fully grokked Solid last time I read about it.

That and Mastodon, ActivityPub and IPFS are examples of the sort of thing I have in mind. Also the decentralised flood-fill model of Usenet.

Can you tell me what you mean by flood-fill ? I'm looking at different strategies for sync'ing activity between domains, and ActivityPub / IPFS seem like a lot of conceptual overhead. I'd rather just rsync directories on my friends' servers.

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Post by zimpenfish »

nafey wrote: post #74
JulianMorrison wrote: post #33

My feeling is that this may be the breakthrough moment for Mastodon.

"This is going to be the year of Mastodon." Sounds oddly familiar.

Followed closely by "This is the year of Linux on the desktop", I imagine.
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