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Measuring the “Filter Bubble”: How Google is influencing what you click

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Re: Measuring the “Filter Bubble”: How Google is influencing what you click

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> Back in 2012 we ran a study showing Google's filter bubble may have significantly influenced the 2012 U.S. Presidential election by inserting tens of millions of more links for Obama than for Romney in the run-up to that election Thank god someone is discussing this. I think it's a real shame that the "media" is focusing only on the 2016 election is discussing how Trump manipulated voters. Sure, they ran advertisem…

"Yet, when Trump does it ..." How about when a foreign state, an enemy state at that, does it?

Unfortunately, many countries have long histories of doing so. America has arguably the worst track record on this score. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_electoral_interventi...

Re: Measuring the “Filter Bubble”: How Google is influencing what you click

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Google can and should customize search results based on location, and it's not just about "local articles" as the article suggests. If enough people from the same general location click on certain results more frequently, then those results should rank higher for others who search from that same general location. We use Google because the results are useful, not because they are "unbiased". Ranking implies some sort…

A contrived example to clarify further: Let's say that there is a link, foo.gov/taxes_in_retirement. Locations with a high concentration of retirees might click on the link more frequently compared to other locations. In privacy mode, from this location, a search for "taxes" might rank that link higher in results based on this activity (even though the search didn't contain the word "retirement"). This shows how a link might be ranked differently depending on search location even if the link itself is not inherently location-specific (as oppressed to, say, a local-news link).

Also, search engines can play with inconsistent ranking of results to see how click-throughs might be affected. For example, if moving a link from first to third in the result list has no effect (people continue clicking on the same link even though it's now third instead of first), then it's a pretty strong signal that the link should continue to be ranked first in future results. This experimentation of search results is even more important the more uncommon a search is because there is less confidence in the current ranking until there is more activity to base the ranking on.

Just as stores shift around product placement (front of the store, back of the store, etc), a search engine is free to shift around search results. Keep in mind that product producers might pay for better in-store product placement too, just as customers pay search engines for ad placement in search results.

Re: Measuring the “Filter Bubble”: How Google is influencing what you click

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Google can and should customize search results based on location, and it's not just about "local articles" as the article suggests. If enough people from the same general location click on certain results more frequently, then those results should rank higher for others who search from that same general location. We use Google because the results are useful, not because they are "unbiased". Ranking implies some sort…

> I think people will switch back to Google because they find the results more useful, even in privacy mode. I now use duckduckgo as default search engine and my experience is mixed. The problem with google is that sometime you search for something new and then you see the bubble very clearly, which applies non only to search but also to youtube (maybe even more). The problem with duckduckgo is that you are searching…

Youtube in particular is terrible for filter bubbles.

In the name of optimizing for 'engagement', my youtube recs are full of politically polarized clickbait. They're not merely reinforcing my existing beliefs, they're actively trying to push me into a bubble.

At least facebook has the excuse of actual people pushing this stuff.

Re: Measuring the “Filter Bubble”: How Google is influencing what you click

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> Back in 2012 we ran a study showing Google's filter bubble may have significantly influenced the 2012 U.S. Presidential election by inserting tens of millions of more links for Obama than for Romney in the run-up to that election Thank god someone is discussing this. I think it's a real shame that the "media" is focusing only on the 2016 election is discussing how Trump manipulated voters. Sure, they ran advertisem…

The obvious difference being state sponsored actors from a foreign entity weaponized this “feature.”

Not sure how you’re equating the two, but it’s disingenous.

Re: Measuring the “Filter Bubble”: How Google is influencing what you click

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Google can and should customize search results based on location, and it's not just about "local articles" as the article suggests. If enough people from the same general location click on certain results more frequently, then those results should rank higher for others who search from that same general location. We use Google because the results are useful, not because they are "unbiased". Ranking implies some sort…

The point of the article was that, even when there is no reason to do so because location and identity are identical, Google STILL gives differently ranked results. Please read more carefully. And I've been using DDG for a bit now and have found it perfectly useable.

Sorry, but I think you are missing the point (please see my follow-up post). The point is, search results are not static even for the same inputs (search string, location, etc), even in privacy mode.

That's great that you use DDG and find it useful! If Google was a true monopoly, as the current media blitz would have you believe, then you would not have been able to so easily switch to DDG (or Bing, or...).

Re: Measuring the “Filter Bubble”: How Google is influencing what you click

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Google's feed does an amazing job of avoiding filter bubble. One of the best in the industry actually. I use the product and wrote a blogpost about it: https://getstream.io/blog/google-feed-personalization-and-re...

It makes total sense for them to personalize search results. If I am searching for Django it's the framework not the musician. When I search for a restaurant name it's the one in Boulder, Co, not a restaurant by the same name on a different continent.

People always adjust their messaging according to who they are talking to. It's kinda weird how it's creeping people out when computers do this.

Re: Measuring the “Filter Bubble”: How Google is influencing what you click

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Google can and should customize search results based on location, and it's not just about "local articles" as the article suggests. If enough people from the same general location click on certain results more frequently, then those results should rank higher for others who search from that same general location. We use Google because the results are useful, not because they are "unbiased". Ranking implies some sort…

For your vegetarian example:

The article runs through the analysis you propose, and (within the limitations of the study) show that Google does apply very similar filter bubbling logged out in incognito mode vs logged in.

In fact in “anonymous” mode, the results are much more similar to the same person’s “logged in” mode than to other randomly chosen people’s logged in or logged out results.

Re: Measuring the “Filter Bubble”: How Google is influencing what you click

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Google can and should customize search results based on location, and it's not just about "local articles" as the article suggests. If enough people from the same general location click on certain results more frequently, then those results should rank higher for others who search from that same general location. We use Google because the results are useful, not because they are "unbiased". Ranking implies some sort…

> I think people will switch back to Google because they find the results more useful, even in privacy mode. I now use duckduckgo as default search engine and my experience is mixed. The problem with google is that sometime you search for something new and then you see the bubble very clearly, which applies non only to search but also to youtube (maybe even more). The problem with duckduckgo is that you are searching…

I keep on trying to love duckduckgo but find that often even typing the exact title of an article I'm looking for, it's not on the first page of results...

Re: Measuring the “Filter Bubble”: How Google is influencing what you click

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post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The point of the article was that, even when there is no reason to do so because location and identity are identical, Google STILL gives differently ranked results. Please read more carefully. And I've been using DDG for a bit now and have found it perfectly useable.

Sorry, but I think you are missing the point (please see my follow-up post). The point is, search results are not static even for the same inputs (search string, location, etc), even in privacy mode. That's great that you use DDG and find it useful! If Google was a true monopoly, as the current media blitz would have you believe, then you would not have been able to so easily switch to DDG (or Bing, or...).

The point the rest of us are making is that even when you opt out, which google supposedly supports, it still bubbles the results based on your profile.

This is shady, at best. It probably contributes to the US’ current political instability (different propaganda / news in red states), and is also probably an unauthorized use of personal information in places like Europe that have laws about such things.

Re: Measuring the “Filter Bubble”: How Google is influencing what you click

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To make this research more interesting I'd like to see: 1) repeated queries from the same user. Do the results stay constant over time or do they change? 2) comparisons to the same experiment run against e.g. Bing or DuckDuckGo. It seems to me that some variation in results is to be expected because of users hitting different backends which might be at different stages of index rollouts. Similarly, response times of…

>2) comparisons to the same experiment run against e.g. Bing or DuckDuckGo.

Isn't DDG mostly Bing results these days anyways? (unless you're searching in Russian)

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