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Re: Why Do Hospitals Hate Sleep So Much?

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Post by mrhappyunhappy » Wed, Dec 05, 2018, 4:14 PM UTC

rasputin243 wrote: post #284

dahfizz wrote: post #279

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Why does the school bus pick him up more than an hour before school starts? That seems ridiculous.

Sounds like my experience growing up in a rural area. My high school was on the other side of our county, so I was the first person on the bus every morning, 60 minute ride each way.

While on subject of school buses, my driver would not let me cross the street on the way home, so even though I was the first stop, I’d have to wait until we looped all the way around to the end. My stepdad had to scream down their throats and they finally caved, I came home an hour earlier. Talk about the stupidity of that situation!

Re: Why Do Hospitals Hate Sleep So Much?

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Post by jartelt » Wed, Dec 05, 2018, 4:14 PM UTC

billfruit wrote: post #290

kerbalspacepro wrote: post #241

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Why do doctors not get sleep? It is still the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. Start up founders? Fine. Grocery store bagger? I don't care. BUT A PERSON IN CHARGE OF TOUCHING (inside) MY BODY? I want their Fitbit sleep records for the last month showing a consistent 7 hours of sleep.

Also apart from the Doctors, the military is also notorious for their practice of having too little sleep.

Yes! Sleep deprivation played a role in the two Navy crashes in the last few years.

Re: Why Do Hospitals Hate Sleep So Much?

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Post by sneak » Wed, Dec 05, 2018, 4:14 PM UTC

mcv wrote: post #151

chrisbennet wrote: post #59

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Sure, just get out of bed and run them down and ask them to stop...

That's why you've got a partner there with you. The partner's job is to keep an eye on whatever the young mother needs and make it happen.

No, the facility’s job is to provide the best possible environment for healing and recovery.

Re: Why Do Hospitals Hate Sleep So Much?

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Post by octygen » Wed, Dec 05, 2018, 4:14 PM UTC

It's up to us to set boundaries. If a corporation says sleep is dead unproductive time, it's the individual that must disagree and disconnect around their sleep. Same with exercise. There are so many benefits to the brain and the body from sleeping 7h+!

DISCLAIMER: I slept only 5h last night :(

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Dec 05, 2018, 4:15 PM UTC

ethbro wrote: post #67

legostormtroopr wrote: post #15

The article quotes a doctor speaking about nursing care. This is as accurate as asking an automotive engineer about automobile repair. Same field, different skill sets. Nurses are trained to identify trends across many (sometimes too many) patients. Sure its inconvenient if a nurse monitors your blood pressure or oxygen levels every 2 hours after surgery, especially when you are sleeping, and especially if you recove…

> Same with audio on machines, that constant beep is annoying to you, but it means the machines are operating and you are getting your prescribed fluids This article is a terrible treatment of the issue. The NYT article [1] or actual research papers are far better. To try and sum up the actual issue that's being discussed: it's a tragedy of the commons situation, where the commons is a patient's sleep. Every device a…

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Re: Why Do Hospitals Hate Sleep So Much?

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Post by jazzyjackson » Wed, Dec 05, 2018, 4:17 PM UTC

dahfizz wrote: post #279

ExBritNStuff wrote: post #238

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The Elementary school comment rings so true. We have to get my seven year old up at 6:15 to get to school at 7:30. That's if we take him, if he caught the bus he would have to be AT the stop by 6:15. Every day is a battle against exhaustion. On the days that school is delayed due to weather and he can get up naturally at maybe 7:30, he is so much better. He feels better, his attitude is more positive, and he does so…

Why does the school bus pick him up more than an hour before school starts? That seems ridiculous.

more schools are consolidated these days. In some places, one large school serves 3 counties. I don't know why.

Re: Why Do Hospitals Hate Sleep So Much?

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Post by mrhappyunhappy » Wed, Dec 05, 2018, 4:18 PM UTC

IB885588 wrote: post #231

shados wrote: post #228

I'll push this one step further: why is our entire society built around the idea that sleep literally doesn't matter? - Elementary school starting so early all the kids are half asleep in class. - College + Sleep? Not gonna happen. - 24 hour construction in certain part of NYC, check! - Most cities quiet hours are very precisely 8 hours. Hope your days start at 6:30/7:00 and you're falling asleep precisely at 11pm, a…

And it's a known biological fact that during teenager years the circadian rhythm is affected and normal sleep is pushed later in the night. Having teens wake up early is literally fighting biology and can't but have negative results on their health, education, socialization, etc.

Sure, I barely remember high school seeing how I was half asleep most of it. There was not a day when I did not fall asleep in class early in the morning. I remember having to fake like I was looking down to pick something up just so I could sleep.

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Post by MereInterest » Wed, Dec 05, 2018, 4:18 PM UTC

pc86 wrote: post #295

antidesitter wrote: post #272

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I believe the GP is talking about increasing the number of doctors, not their years in residency.

You learn how to do your entire specialty during residency. If you cut the number of hours, you have the same amount to learn in less time.

That's on the assumption that amount learned per hour remains constant as hours worked increases.

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Post by war1025 » Wed, Dec 05, 2018, 4:19 PM UTC

rasputin243 wrote: post #284

dahfizz wrote: post #279

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Why does the school bus pick him up more than an hour before school starts? That seems ridiculous.

Sounds like my experience growing up in a rural area. My high school was on the other side of our county, so I was the first person on the bus every morning, 60 minute ride each way.

Kind of off topic, but a fun story: Growing up, we were the last kids off our bus and the ride took an hour. The silly thing was, there was a different bus that drove past our literally five minutes after school got out. Eventually they figured it out and switched the route we were on, but by then we were old enough to not ride the bus most of the time.

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Post by TimTheTinker » Wed, Dec 05, 2018, 4:19 PM UTC

bzbarsky wrote: post #330

usefulcat wrote: post #323

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So, maybe they would benefit from an earlier bedtime? Not being snarky, am a parent myself.

It's possible. They are generally in bed by 8:30. We have tried experimenting with pushing it back to 8 and that did not have an obvious effect on their mornings and did make evenings a lot more miserable. Going even earlier than 8 is not really feasible given that dinner generally can't happen until 6pm. (Our no-longer-elementary-schooler, by the way, never really had this problem. He just seems to sleep a lot less…

Just an idea - you could try putting them to bed 15 min earlier every few days, and if they have trouble sleeping put on a short kids audiobook. Two of the most peaceful I know of from Audible are “The Tailor of Gloucester” read by Meryl Streep and “The Little House”.