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Facebook's seized files published by MPs

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Re: Facebook's seized files published by MPs

#101
post #72

Good for them, thank you! The sooner facebook is controlled and broken up into pieces, the better. They are a massive net negative on civilization. Do you work at Facebook? Shame on you.

I think this is not going far enough. Do you work in the evil tech industry? You should die.

Can't tell if you're serious, so I'll ask on the off chance you are.

What does "evil" mean? Or are you just saying that the entire tech industry is evil?

Re: Facebook's seized files published by MPs

#102
post #7

> Facebook used data provided by the Israeli analytics firm Onavo to determine which other mobile apps were being downloaded and used by the public. It then used this knowledge to decide which apps to acquire or otherwise treat as a threat > there was evidence that Facebook's refusal to share data with some apps caused them to fail Stuff like this should trigger the EU Commissioner for Competition to withdraw the aut…

I have no particular love for FB or what they've done with data, but these I don't understand why either of those points is particularly controversial or even unusual. > Facebook used data provided by the Israeli analytics firm Onavo to determine which other mobile apps were being downloaded and used by the public. It then used this knowledge to decide which apps to acquire or otherwise treat as a threat Checking out…

Sharing or not sharing data with another app is likewise not an unusual decision. FB is not a public utility

I think this point is, at least partially, arguable. Take "political media." FB is so dominant and powerful in this arena that excluding individuals or parties is very close to denying people their rights to free speech and/or associon.

Idk if you can make that case about apps, because their app platform is not that important, but you could make it about Android or ios... maybe Aws.

Re: Facebook's seized files published by MPs

#103
post #65

Here is a direct link to the files themselves: https://www.parliament.uk/documents/commons-committees/cultu...

holy smokes... >Michael LeBeau – ‘He guys, as you know all the growth team is planning on shipping a permissions update on Android at the end of this month. They are going to include the ‘read call log’ permission, which will trigger the Android permissions dialog on update, requiring users to accept the update. They will then provide an in app opt in NUX for a feature that lets you continuously upload your SMS and c…

> This is huge, doesn't this make google guilty as well?

I'm not sure I follow. An app can request permissions, and the user can allow or deny them. I don't understand how this puts guilt on Google. Can you elaborate?

Re: Facebook's seized files published by MPs

#105
post #7

> Facebook used data provided by the Israeli analytics firm Onavo to determine which other mobile apps were being downloaded and used by the public. It then used this knowledge to decide which apps to acquire or otherwise treat as a threat > there was evidence that Facebook's refusal to share data with some apps caused them to fail Stuff like this should trigger the EU Commissioner for Competition to withdraw the aut…

I have no particular love for FB or what they've done with data, but these I don't understand why either of those points is particularly controversial or even unusual. > Facebook used data provided by the Israeli analytics firm Onavo to determine which other mobile apps were being downloaded and used by the public. It then used this knowledge to decide which apps to acquire or otherwise treat as a threat Checking out…

"Sharing or not sharing data with another app is likewise not an unusual decision. FB is not a public utility"

[the following paragraph does not assert that FB is a monopoly, it is agnostic]

The law says that a company with a monopoly needs to act a bit like a public utility. Recall what Microsoft did to Netscape -- was there anything wrong with that? Is a company allowed to take action against a competitor? The normal answer is "Yes". But different rules apply if the government can prove that a company has monopoly power in some market. Actions that are allowed among normal competitors are no longer allowed once a company has near monopoly powers. I think fast growing tech companies get into trouble because the founders doesn't realize how much the company has grown. Bill Gates could use aggressive tactics during the 1980s because Microsoft was still small. He got into trouble in 1994 because he didn't realize how much Microsoft had grown, and how much the rest of the world suddenly regarded it as a behemoth. Therefore he was no longer allowed to pursue the aggressive tactics that he'd previously been free to use.

Arguably, the same reality has now caught up with FaceBook.

Re: Facebook's seized files published by MPs

#106
post #28

Thx for link. Everytime i read the word ‘whitelist’, i think, havn’t they caught up with the times, thats racist, whitelist. Why does white suggest good?

>Thx for link. Everytime i read the word ‘whitelist’, i think, havn’t they caught up with the times, thats racist, whitelist. Why does white suggest good? I can’t tell if this is satire. Which means it’s either really good, or sad times we’re living in.

I remember people making this joke decades ago. It would easily fit in with complaints about the 90's being too PC.

Re: Facebook's seized files published by MPs

#107
post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> is not Facebook's data Look at the T&Cs sometime. Once you upload something, it's theirs. Once they sniff something off your phone, it's theirs. Once you look at something in another tab while FB is open, it's theirs.

GDPR, and even the former 1998 Data Protection Act disagrees. Ts&Cs can't override statute. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_Protection_Act_1998#Data_...

My understanding is that gdpr still doesn't say that it's your data and not Facebook's, it just gives you certain rights to that data such as the right to have it deleted.

Re: Facebook's seized files published by MPs

#108
post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Really interesting stuff in there. > Facebook email 24 January 2013 > Justin Osofsky – ‘Twitter launched Vine today which lets you shoot multiple short video segments to make one single, 6-second video. As part of their NUX, you can find friends via FB. Unless anyone raises objections, we will shut down their friends API access today. We’ve prepared reactive PR, and I will let Jana know our decision. > MZ – ‘Yup, go…

What is NUX? I was googling and closest I could find was New User Experience, is that right?

New User eXperience.

Re: Facebook's seized files published by MPs

#109
post #7

> Facebook used data provided by the Israeli analytics firm Onavo to determine which other mobile apps were being downloaded and used by the public. It then used this knowledge to decide which apps to acquire or otherwise treat as a threat > there was evidence that Facebook's refusal to share data with some apps caused them to fail Stuff like this should trigger the EU Commissioner for Competition to withdraw the aut…

I have no particular love for FB or what they've done with data, but these I don't understand why either of those points is particularly controversial or even unusual. > Facebook used data provided by the Israeli analytics firm Onavo to determine which other mobile apps were being downloaded and used by the public. It then used this knowledge to decide which apps to acquire or otherwise treat as a threat Checking out…

> I don't understand why either of those points is particularly controversial or even unusual

Facebook is unusually large and lawless. Their favoring industry incumbents decreases the economy’s dynamism. If you want to compete with Airbnb, now, you must not only launch a better product. You must also curry favor with Facebook. That’s a lot of trust for society to put in a company with a track record of terrible judgement. (This is also why we regulate monopolies.)

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