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Facebook's seized files published by MPs

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Re: Facebook's seized files published by MPs

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Post by cmsonger »

danarmak wrote: post #14
paganel wrote: post #7

> Facebook used data provided by the Israeli analytics firm Onavo to determine which other mobile apps were being downloaded and used by the public. It then used this knowledge to decide which apps to acquire or otherwise treat as a threat > there was evidence that Facebook's refusal to share data with some apps caused them to fail Stuff like this should trigger the EU Commissioner for Competition to withdraw the aut…

How do you force a split when one part (Whatsapp) may not have enough revenue to sustain itself?

I've long held a theory that many of the "basic infrastructure" pieces of technology would best be put forward by non-profits. The profit imperative can be an insidious corrosive influence.

Re: Facebook's seized files published by MPs

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Post by aljones »

danarmak wrote: post #14
paganel wrote: post #7

> Facebook used data provided by the Israeli analytics firm Onavo to determine which other mobile apps were being downloaded and used by the public. It then used this knowledge to decide which apps to acquire or otherwise treat as a threat > there was evidence that Facebook's refusal to share data with some apps caused them to fail Stuff like this should trigger the EU Commissioner for Competition to withdraw the aut…

How do you force a split when one part (Whatsapp) may not have enough revenue to sustain itself?

Same way you do when they may have enough revenue.

Re: Facebook's seized files published by MPs

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Post by makomk »

whatshisface wrote: post #5

The documents[0] contain market research done by Onavo[1]. This data may have been bought from them, and if so it was probably bought under a non-disclose agreement, as is typical for those arrangements (the reasoning being that Onavo can't sell the data more than once if it is released publicly). This could pose a problem for Facebook if Onavo decides that another release like this is likely to happen again. I'd be…

The bigger problem is that, as I understand it, all of these documents were obtained from someone suing Facebook who had access to them as part of a lawsuit against Facebook under a court order that required them to be kept confidential.

Re: Facebook's seized files published by MPs

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Post by dec0dedab0de »

btown wrote: post #22
paganel wrote: post #7

> Facebook used data provided by the Israeli analytics firm Onavo to determine which other mobile apps were being downloaded and used by the public. It then used this knowledge to decide which apps to acquire or otherwise treat as a threat > there was evidence that Facebook's refusal to share data with some apps caused them to fail Stuff like this should trigger the EU Commissioner for Competition to withdraw the aut…

A world in which companies are not allowed to selectively withhold proprietary data from some competitors, and form partnerships with others, is a world that suboptimally promotes innovation and economic growth.

A world in which companies are not allowed to selectively withhold proprietary data from some competitors, and form partnerships with others, is a world that suboptimally promotes innovation and economic growth.

Maybe economic growth, but how is innovation promoted by limiting access?

Re: Facebook's seized files published by MPs

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Post by strict9 »

nakedrobot2 wrote: post #3

Good for them, thank you! The sooner facebook is controlled and broken up into pieces, the better. They are a massive net negative on civilization. Do you work at Facebook? Shame on you.

This is clearly intended for actual staff, not support position like building support and maintenance. They aren't employees, in fact they rarely are anywhere anymore. It's all outsourced to maintenance companies which are cheaper and not held to the same level of scrutiny for how they treat their employees.

It's garbage. Companies should employ them and pay a fair wage, but they don't.

Re: Facebook's seized files published by MPs

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Post by mcintyre1994 »

paganel wrote: post #7

> Facebook used data provided by the Israeli analytics firm Onavo to determine which other mobile apps were being downloaded and used by the public. It then used this knowledge to decide which apps to acquire or otherwise treat as a threat > there was evidence that Facebook's refusal to share data with some apps caused them to fail Stuff like this should trigger the EU Commissioner for Competition to withdraw the aut…

The good news is that Onavo was removed from the App Store. For some reason Google seem to be happy letting it stay on Android though.

Re: Facebook's seized files published by MPs

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Post by athrowaway3z »

danarmak wrote: post #14
paganel wrote: post #7

> Facebook used data provided by the Israeli analytics firm Onavo to determine which other mobile apps were being downloaded and used by the public. It then used this knowledge to decide which apps to acquire or otherwise treat as a threat > there was evidence that Facebook's refusal to share data with some apps caused them to fail Stuff like this should trigger the EU Commissioner for Competition to withdraw the aut…

How do you force a split when one part (Whatsapp) may not have enough revenue to sustain itself?

I can't answer your question but i think you should be more specific.

Your phrasing obviously comes with the interpretation that if a split-up would bankrupt a part, it shouldn't be done. Why should this be taken into consideration?

Secondly. It has value. A different party could invest and keep it going. Why is it important that it sustains itself?

Re: Facebook's seized files published by MPs

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Post by dwighttk »

isostatic wrote: post #24
paganel wrote: post #7

> Facebook used data provided by the Israeli analytics firm Onavo to determine which other mobile apps were being downloaded and used by the public. It then used this knowledge to decide which apps to acquire or otherwise treat as a threat > there was evidence that Facebook's refusal to share data with some apps caused them to fail Stuff like this should trigger the EU Commissioner for Competition to withdraw the aut…

> A fine (no matter how big) $200 billion, and a review in 12 months time? That's 5 years revenue. $100 per user, sounds reasonable. Facebook can put in an easy "claim your $100" button on their site. Would that just be a "cost of doing business"?

would you take that money?

Re: Facebook's seized files published by MPs

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Post by PavlovsCat »

btown wrote: post #22
paganel wrote: post #7

> Facebook used data provided by the Israeli analytics firm Onavo to determine which other mobile apps were being downloaded and used by the public. It then used this knowledge to decide which apps to acquire or otherwise treat as a threat > there was evidence that Facebook's refusal to share data with some apps caused them to fail Stuff like this should trigger the EU Commissioner for Competition to withdraw the aut…

A world in which companies are not allowed to selectively withhold proprietary data from some competitors, and form partnerships with others, is a world that suboptimally promotes innovation and economic growth.

How so?
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