It is good that Amazon funded this documentary.
Yeah, this is actually quite funny. You can also watch it on iTunes. Are Amazon and Apple exceptions with respect to selling your information? (I'm genuinely asking)
The Creepy Line: a documentary about Google, Facebook and user manipulation
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#22I looked at the "Google" page ( https://www.thecreepyline.com/programs/google-v2 ) and noticed it doesn't mention a few kind of important things. (1) You can pause activity collection at https://myaccount.google.com/activitycontrols (2) You can delete activity here https://myactivity.google.com/delete-activity Also, does anyone know if Facebook offers interfaces like these?
Would this unlearn the Google's ML models from my data?
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#23It is good that Amazon funded this documentary.
Seems like a conflict of interest really.
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#24Did anyone who upvoted this actually watch the documentary or the trailer, or do HNers just automatically upvote anything that's anti-Facebook and Google these days?
The documentary is mostly right-wing conspiracy theories about how liberal tech companies are trying to undermine democracy and favor Hillary Clinton. Watch the trailer if you don't believe me. Or read this: https://www.theverge.com/2018/9/19/17878332/creepy-line-anti...
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#25Earlier quoted context omitted.
FB has Activity Log, visible only to you, and shows what you posted, commented, liked, tagged, shared, searched, etc. From there you can manage and delete stuff if you want, by hand.
Does deletion of your data unlearn the models from the data?
I don't really know this. Just provided what similar functionality exists in FB.
It's a black box for most of us. You might need to provide fake data to make it relearn. There were comments here and there about people liking various pages/posts not related to them, just to feed it with junk.
Re: The Creepy Line: a documentary about Google, Facebook and user manipulation
#26I looked at the "Google" page ( https://www.thecreepyline.com/programs/google-v2 ) and noticed it doesn't mention a few kind of important things. (1) You can pause activity collection at https://myaccount.google.com/activitycontrols (2) You can delete activity here https://myactivity.google.com/delete-activity Also, does anyone know if Facebook offers interfaces like these?
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Well said and I completely agree. Unfortunately many people grew so dependent on their services. That they remain glued to the company.
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Re: The Creepy Line: a documentary about Google, Facebook and user manipulation
#28Did anyone who upvoted this actually watch the documentary or the trailer, or do HNers just automatically upvote anything that's anti-Facebook and Google these days? The documentary is mostly right-wing conspiracy theories about how liberal tech companies are trying to undermine democracy and favor Hillary Clinton. Watch the trailer if you don't believe me. Or read this: https://www.theverge.com/2018/9/19/17878332/cr…
That's a fair question. I've got a follow-up for you: do people actually watch other people express diverse opinions or are they happy with just impeaching the source, slandering the messenger, and moving on? It seems everywhere I go online I get other people telling me how I should or shouldn't consume media content based on the producer's political opinions.
I both upvoted the video link and your comment. I like people with different opinions and worldviews.
Now I'll go watch the video.
Re: The Creepy Line: a documentary about Google, Facebook and user manipulation
#29Did anyone who upvoted this actually watch the documentary or the trailer, or do HNers just automatically upvote anything that's anti-Facebook and Google these days? The documentary is mostly right-wing conspiracy theories about how liberal tech companies are trying to undermine democracy and favor Hillary Clinton. Watch the trailer if you don't believe me. Or read this: https://www.theverge.com/2018/9/19/17878332/cr…
That's a fair question. I've got a follow-up for you: do people actually watch other people express diverse opinions or are they happy with just impeaching the source, slandering the messenger, and moving on? It seems everywhere I go online I get other people telling me how I should or shouldn't consume media content based on the producer's political opinions. I both upvoted the video link and your comment. I like pe…
The verge article is detailed and pretty convincing that I don't need to bother with this video. This isn't impeaching the source because of their political opinions, it's impeaching the content because of its political opinions.
> Taylor and the film’s writer Peter Schweizer say that they’re aware of issues affecting non-conservatives and simply wanted to focus on a single thread of the conversation. But that focus completely changes the argument. If conservatives are disproportionately suffering on Google and Facebook, an incident like Peterson getting locked out of Gmail looks like political warfare. If people across the social and political spectra are getting accounts suspended, YouTube videos demonetized, or stories de-ranked, it looks like bad service from a platform with a legitimately disconcerting amount of power.
> This distinction is probably obvious to many people. But The Creepy Line suggests that any seeming technical glitch or bad decision is a coordinated step in the master plan of Silicon Valley’s digital “kingmakers,” even when that’s far from the most obvious conclusion. It does things like insinuate that Google’s lack of a customer support hotline is inexplicable and suspicious, or claim that “very few people in the world have ever seen” an error page for google.com, so spotting one indicates that Google has cut off search access to punish a user for criticizing it. It glosses over the fact that these kingmakers didn’t even get their favored candidate into the White House, although Taylor argues that Google only put “roughly 10 percent effort” into its manipulation efforts because it was confident Clinton was already winning. “That won’t happen again,” he says.
edit: If this actually is funded by Amazon as someone speculated elsewhere in this thread, it's probably going to backfire spectacularly if this catches on.
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#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
Does deletion of your data unlearn the models from the data?
I don't really know this. Just provided what similar functionality exists in FB. It's a black box for most of us. You might need to provide fake data to make it relearn. There were comments here and there about people liking various pages/posts not related to them, just to feed it with junk.
it was probably rhetorical, lol
I don't even think it guarantees that new neural nets won't be trained on your 'deleted' data