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Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

#711
The main thing stopping me from using FF is it's poor profile support.

There is a profile manager but it sucks. You have to launch it directly (can't open from a FF window) and you can only have one profile active at a time.

Compared to Chrome where I can seamlessly have my work and personal profiles active at once, allowing me to do all of my work in a segregated profile while still having access to all my personal stuff like music playing in another window.

Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

#712
post #452

Reading this breaks my heart. I have been a Firefox user for almost a decade now and I have good and bad memories with it. Since Quantum release my experience with FF has been nothing but exceptional. On a general day I have around ~15 pinned tabs and more than 50 other tabs open and FF handles it like a breeze. The memory usage is good given the fact that my workload is heavy. On a dual-core machine, I am able to re…

I have tried using Firefox several times this year, but on a Macbook with only 8gb of RAM the RAM usage was far too big compared to Chrome. It made the rest of my computer sluggish. And Firefox itself was slower than Chrome, one of the examples for me is Youtube. Yes Youtube is Google, but I use it often enough that it was too slow for me to stick with firefox.

Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

#713
post #181

We just shipped a chrome extension for Polar... I did a big analysis of the distribution of extensions on Firefox vs Chrome. You could expect Firefox to be maybe 1/3rd that of Chrome. Nope... it's 1/40th.... So 40x more people use the same extension on Chrome vs Firefox. I'm not sure why this is... it might be that Chrome users adopt extensions more readily than Firefox users? I think there's a lesson here on long te…

Thanks for sharing your data! I just installed polar. Immediately after install, it prompts you to install a chrome extension, it has a big google chrome icon that takes up 1/16th of my screen. It has no mention of how to do the same in firefox. Naturally, I responded by searching both "polar firefox addon" and "Save to polar firefox addon" on both DuckDuckGo and Google. All return a long list of results that don't i…

Sorry.. didn't see your comment. I never said we had a Polar FF extension.. We don't have one yet but should soon. I think since ours is reasonably small it won't take time to get on FF.

Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

#714
post #181

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Thanks for sharing your data! I just installed polar. Immediately after install, it prompts you to install a chrome extension, it has a big google chrome icon that takes up 1/16th of my screen. It has no mention of how to do the same in firefox. Naturally, I responded by searching both "polar firefox addon" and "Save to polar firefox addon" on both DuckDuckGo and Google. All return a long list of results that don't i…

Sorry.. didn't see your comment. I never said we had a Polar FF extension.. We don't have one yet but should soon. I think since ours is reasonably small it won't take time to get on FF.

No problem, and yeah, I realized about 15 minutes after I posted that that I probably misread your comment, hence the edit at the end.

Out of curiosity, are you going to open source the chrome one?

Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

#715
post #452

Reading this breaks my heart. I have been a Firefox user for almost a decade now and I have good and bad memories with it. Since Quantum release my experience with FF has been nothing but exceptional. On a general day I have around ~15 pinned tabs and more than 50 other tabs open and FF handles it like a breeze. The memory usage is good given the fact that my workload is heavy. On a dual-core machine, I am able to re…

I have tried using Firefox several times this year, but on a Macbook with only 8gb of RAM the RAM usage was far too big compared to Chrome. It made the rest of my computer sluggish. And Firefox itself was slower than Chrome, one of the examples for me is Youtube. Yes Youtube is Google, but I use it often enough that it was too slow for me to stick with firefox.

Try the YouTube Classic Addon in the Mozilla Extension Store. It disables the new styling for YouTube that makes it sluggish on Firefox.

Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

#716
post #680

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I've been using Firefox since it was Phoenix and Firebird in a zip file as a faster alternative to Netscape. I am loving Quantum, and I don't understand why Firefox continues to slide. With this Edge announcement (a new Microsoft Chromium browser), I'm nervous we're getting into not a duopoly, but potentially a monopoly.

> why Firefox continues to slide They broke extension support. Half of the extensions disappeared (didn't migrate to Quantum). The other half works only partially. One year after Quantum i still have a blank new tab because a custom html file in new tab would require an extension AND a web server. Sure, it is harder now for non-technical users to shoot themselves in the foot. On the other hand, Mozilla took away cont…

I agree this was rough but things need to be taken into context with this in my opinion.

Given their small "market share", it would seem right to remove a major burden to rapid development (the old extension format, XPI) in favor of open standards (web workers).

It's more maintainable, more in-line with current standards. I am only speaking as a fly-on-the-wall here. Although I am a senior "full stack" developer, I am pretty far removed from any of the day-to-day here.

By wiping the slate clean in terms of extensions, hopefully this will be a small paint-point, quickly forgotten, and things move forward from here.

Re-reading this prior to submit, it seems like I've inserted too many items straight out of the BS generator but I'm ok with it.

Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

#717

Dropping support for legacy extensions absolutely gutted what made Firefox different from every other browser. I'll use Firefox 56 and NoScript until the end of time before I use a browser with tabs above the address bar.

Put this into userChrome.css to have tabs at the bottom:

  @namespace url("http://www.mozilla.org/keymaster/gatekeeper/there.is.only.xul");
  
  #TabsToolbar {
      -moz-box-ordinal-group: 2;
  }
If you don't know what/where userChrome.css is, just look it up.

Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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This can be helpful in development scenarios. I’m supporting a team that uses localstack to support local development against some AWS services. Unfortunately, the CORS settings for localstack break the development environment. With Chrome allowing them to disable from the command-line, I can provide a shortcut to launch with degraded security, no plugins, no user settings, etc. My only wish is that Chrome would make…

Why not just configure your server or a proxy to add the necessary headers that unlock CORS restrictions.

The web server is configuring CORS policy properly, but the browser is making client-side calls to localstack. As far as I can tell, localstack has hardcoded a CORS policy that is a mismatch for the requests being sent.

The cleanest solution is to extend the dev pipeline with a proxy for localstack. It won't take me long to knock that out, but it's not something I can prioritize at the moment.

Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

#720
post #187

I'd like to use Firefox. I've tried it out several times the last year. It's okay. Unfortunately, I always end up going back to Safari. Despite the performance improvements, Safari still feels like a faster, smoother browser. Firefox is still pretty ugly, too. On macOS, it feels chunkier and less natively integrated. Safari's "omnibar" is superior to Firefox's. Safari actually suggests web sites, which I use all the…

> Firefox is still pretty ugly, too. On macOS, it feels chunkier and less natively integrated. Mozilla have put a tremendous amount of effort into the "ugly on every platform" cross platform tools over the years, from XUL to whatever the current one is. Developing a native UI for each platform would have been less effort and given much better results than continuing with this tried and failed approach. Their latest a…

> This is on top of things like their recent breakages to extensions so things that used to work (vertical tabs) still don't.

The breakage in question is more than one year old now, and most things has been restored since then (including vertical tabs).

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