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Re: Microsoft and Docker team up to make packaging cloud-native applications easier

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Post by ecnahc515 »

beavis2 wrote: post #54
mcny wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thank you for being here and answering questions. Is there any way you can (internally) push to remove roadblocks for the insanity of Windows Home vs Pro for Docker/Hyper-V? I know this isn't possible in the short run but I think it prevents a lot of children from getting started with Docker. Based on what Scott Guttrie's team has been able to accomplish, I am cautiously optimistic that this is possible if there is e…

If you want to play the "think of the children" card, then let's start by discouraging development on Windows.

A lot of families already have a Windows computer and not everyone can afford a spare computer to run Linux on, and some people's PCs can't run a full Linux in a VM either.

Windows has a lot of ways to develop for Linux/Unix now. It sure isn't FOSS, but let's not discourage a promising way to get more people into software, even if it's on Windows.

Re: Microsoft and Docker team up to make packaging cloud-native applications easier

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Post by codereflection »

AlexB138 wrote: post #39

This strikes me as possibly being somewhat similar to Habitat from Chef but, like Habitat at launch, I'm having a hard time understanding exactly what this does.

I had the same thought. Seems very similar to Habitat, but I'm still fairly confused as to where CNAB fits and what it's solving.

Re: Microsoft and Docker team up to make packaging cloud-native applications easier

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Post by anime_forever »

amirhirsch wrote: post #58

NOTE: THIS HEADLINE DOES NOT MEAN THAT DOCKER WORKS IN WINDOWS I have spent all day today trying to switch from running Docker in a Vagrant to running Docker for windows and can say without question that Docker and Windows are incompatible as of today. Specific issues are numerous, but primarily it is slow, and has stupid defaults, volumes will drive you nuts, don't use with cygwin or Ubuntu for Windows either (volum…

I use docker every day with windows without serious issues, what problem exactly are you seeing?

Re: Microsoft and Docker team up to make packaging cloud-native applications easier

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Post by jjm »

tjfontaine wrote: post #18

Both crossplane[1] and CNAB are attempting to play in similar spaces, understanding that deploying an application for the cloud (public or private) is more than just dumping your software into an image and giving it to a provider (be it K8s or some other IaaS/PaaS stack). There's more associated with the application, specifically what it means to orchestrate IaaS/PaaS/SaaS to realize your application. But I see CNAB…

Completely agree that with cross plane one can actually build upon and move the needle forward. Not replace it.

Re: Microsoft and Docker team up to make packaging cloud-native applications easier

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Post by arduinomancer »

mcny wrote: post #35
gabrtv wrote: post #4

Gabe from Microsoft here. Happy to answer any questions. A few links to help you explore the spec and tooling: - https://cnab.io - https://duffle.sh/ - https://open.microsoft.com/2018/12/04/announcing-cnab-cloud-...

Thank you for being here and answering questions. Is there any way you can (internally) push to remove roadblocks for the insanity of Windows Home vs Pro for Docker/Hyper-V? I know this isn't possible in the short run but I think it prevents a lot of children from getting started with Docker. Based on what Scott Guttrie's team has been able to accomplish, I am cautiously optimistic that this is possible if there is e…

^^^ This is actually a real barrier believe it or not.

We actually chose not to use Docker for a group project in undergrad because some group members didn't have Windows Pro.

Re: Microsoft and Docker team up to make packaging cloud-native applications easier

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Post by ttty »

amirhirsch wrote: post #58

NOTE: THIS HEADLINE DOES NOT MEAN THAT DOCKER WORKS IN WINDOWS I have spent all day today trying to switch from running Docker in a Vagrant to running Docker for windows and can say without question that Docker and Windows are incompatible as of today. Specific issues are numerous, but primarily it is slow, and has stupid defaults, volumes will drive you nuts, don't use with cygwin or Ubuntu for Windows either (volum…

I'm using docker right now on my win 10 64bit pro

Re: Microsoft and Docker team up to make packaging cloud-native applications easier

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Post by amirhirsch »

ttty wrote: post #67
amirhirsch wrote: post #58

NOTE: THIS HEADLINE DOES NOT MEAN THAT DOCKER WORKS IN WINDOWS I have spent all day today trying to switch from running Docker in a Vagrant to running Docker for windows and can say without question that Docker and Windows are incompatible as of today. Specific issues are numerous, but primarily it is slow, and has stupid defaults, volumes will drive you nuts, don't use with cygwin or Ubuntu for Windows either (volum…

I'm using docker right now on my win 10 64bit pro

Yea me too finally. Switched from running in vagrant today and it shouldn't have felt like an achievement. It should work in cygwin and ubuntu for windows sanely, but it doesn't and it's pretty slow and temperamental so I'm not sure how many re-installs or restarts will be required tomorrow. We had issues with our redis dataset being too large for the default memory allocation settings. Here's a relevant ticket if it's running slowly for you you might get some pointers: https://github.com/docker/for-win/issues/1936

Re: Microsoft and Docker team up to make packaging cloud-native applications easier

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Post by geggam »

ecnahc515 wrote: post #61
beavis2 wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you want to play the "think of the children" card, then let's start by discouraging development on Windows.

A lot of families already have a Windows computer and not everyone can afford a spare computer to run Linux on, and some people's PCs can't run a full Linux in a VM either. Windows has a lot of ways to develop for Linux/Unix now. It sure isn't FOSS, but let's not discourage a promising way to get more people into software, even if it's on Windows.

Installing Linux over Windows is still free.
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