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A comparative study: tongue muscle performance in weightlifters and runners

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Re: A comparative study: tongue muscle performance in weightlifters and runners

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Post by dillondoyle »

Fricken wrote: post #5

Interesting results. Just last night I read an article about training for rock climbing that suggested cutting back on intensive cardio routines outside of climbing if you're having trouble making strength gains, and I went to sleep last night wondering how much merit there is to the claim, since I'm both a cyclist and a climber. Anecdotally, when cycling in the city it's usually shorter rides with high intensity hil…

For what it's worth, 8 years ago when I had a climbing coach and took it seriously we did HIIT (before it took off as a trend) and it was further super tailored for climbing - for instance had days of the week called climbing specific which were mostly campus board with camera work for motion tracking type stuff. So at least I can vouch for a small group of fairly serious Colorado climbers who mostly did this type of training versus just running for many miles. Outside of climbing / training I mostly just walked a LOT to stay lean but that's quite different than running for long periods. I think there is some specific differentiation between alpine sport climbers and boulders/indoor comp climbers in terms of endurance needs.

I definitely made noticeable strength gains with his program I did it from like 18-23/4. Biggest regret of my life giving it up but that's another story!

Re: A comparative study: tongue muscle performance in weightlifters and runners

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Post by claytongulick »

ovi256 wrote: post #20
davemp wrote: post #16

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Further off topic: high intensity workouts also have the benefit of being short and therefore easier to do after work :) --- A great workout that only requires an exercise bike is: - 4-5min of biking, sprinting for 30sec every minute. - no break, 20 push-ups, 20 squats, 20 crunches - ~1min break, repeat the above two more times The result should be a ~20min strength building exercise that is easy on the joints and ge…

The body-weight push-ups and squat are only a very light strength building exercise. Sadly, you'll still be above average in fitness if you do this workout.

The entire discipline of calisthenics would disagree with you on this one... (oh, and me too)

Re: A comparative study: tongue muscle performance in weightlifters and runners

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Post by mr_overalls »

ahi wrote: post #26
SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #8

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Yeah, this is neat. I suppose it does make sense - running is going to have an effect on the whole cardiovascular system, the legs being just a part of that, and weightlifting will affect the whole of the CNS's ability to recruit muscle fibers, so it does stand to reason their would be systemic changes. The body becomes better in totality at what it practices, and it's neat to see evidence of this.

There may also be some self-selection when it comes to people who choose to be weightlifters or runners. Tongue strength differences may be a genetic correlation with particular body types rather than a result of training.

Exactly what I was thinking. Did the study control for genetic effects? The study compared "weightlifters" and "runners" - people who have presumably already been pursuing the activity for some time, instead of of being randomly assigned to such an experimental condition.

So we might expect that genetically stronger people (with stronger tongues) would gravitate toward weightlifting, with the same trend for self-identified "runners" and endurance.

Re: A comparative study: tongue muscle performance in weightlifters and runners

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Post by balfirevic »

claytongulick wrote: post #43
ovi256 wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The body-weight push-ups and squat are only a very light strength building exercise. Sadly, you'll still be above average in fitness if you do this workout.

The entire discipline of calisthenics would disagree with you on this one... (oh, and me too)

The discipline of calisthenics does not consider plain push-ups, bodyweight squats and crunches as anything more than beginner-level exercises.

Re: A comparative study: tongue muscle performance in weightlifters and runners

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Post by User23 »

ovi256 wrote: post #20
davemp wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Further off topic: high intensity workouts also have the benefit of being short and therefore easier to do after work :) --- A great workout that only requires an exercise bike is: - 4-5min of biking, sprinting for 30sec every minute. - no break, 20 push-ups, 20 squats, 20 crunches - ~1min break, repeat the above two more times The result should be a ~20min strength building exercise that is easy on the joints and ge…

The body-weight push-ups and squat are only a very light strength building exercise. Sadly, you'll still be above average in fitness if you do this workout.

The trick with body weight exercise progression is to use leverage to increase the effective resistance. For example: http://stevenlow.org/the-fundamentals-of-bodyweight-strength...

Done correctly body weight alone can allow one to achieve great strength. In fact, it’s probably superior on account of gymnasts can easily do weight lifting exercises while weight training doesn’t really transfer to gymnastics.

Re: A comparative study: tongue muscle performance in weightlifters and runners

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Post by gamblor956 »

tcoff91 wrote: post #17
lj3 wrote: post #15

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You can still do cardio and maintain muscle mass. Sprinting is better than running miles and miles. But, if you want to run marathons or triathlons, google "alex viada the Hybrid Athlete." He's a bodybuilder who maintains his muscle mass and strength while also doing triathlons. He has a background in biochemistry and works in pharmaceuticals. At least he used to. I'm not sure if he still does.

Given his background in body building and pharma, I would bet he is using PEDs to be able to be a hybrid athlete.

I know a bunch of triathletes who look like that despite not using PEDs. They do, however, treat their bodies like temples and have the most rigorous diets I've ever seen.

Re: A comparative study: tongue muscle performance in weightlifters and runners

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Post by posterboy »

abledon wrote: post #32
curiositydriven wrote: post #3

Jokes aside, this is actually a very interesting study. We all know that physical characteristics are developed specifically by different activities (endurance for runners, strength for weightlifters). But I think most people would think this is due to local effects at the level of the muscle or specific neural circuits for different movements. This study suggests that a more general physical adaptation is at play, s…

According to yogis and qigong teachers I’ve met The tongues energetic circuit connects to the heart and actually runs down the spine and ends at the anus . I could totally see how exercising one part frees up and strengthens another through reflexology

Hard to confirm without studies on anus strength cross correlation.
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