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A comparative study: tongue muscle performance in weightlifters and runners

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Re: A comparative study: tongue muscle performance in weightlifters and runners

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Post by thr0awaz »

davemp wrote: post #16
Fricken wrote: post #5

Interesting results. Just last night I read an article about training for rock climbing that suggested cutting back on intensive cardio routines outside of climbing if you're having trouble making strength gains, and I went to sleep last night wondering how much merit there is to the claim, since I'm both a cyclist and a climber. Anecdotally, when cycling in the city it's usually shorter rides with high intensity hil…

Further off topic: high intensity workouts also have the benefit of being short and therefore easier to do after work :) --- A great workout that only requires an exercise bike is: - 4-5min of biking, sprinting for 30sec every minute. - no break, 20 push-ups, 20 squats, 20 crunches - ~1min break, repeat the above two more times The result should be a ~20min strength building exercise that is easy on the joints and ge…

Further off topic still... you need to add some pulling exercises to balance your pushups, maybe some vertical pulling and pushing (pullups, overhead presses) as well, and swapping the squats for lunges or step-ups once in a while will give you better overall leg development (squats for quads, lunges and stepups will work glutes and hamstrings a bit more)

You're probably not going to run into issues with that low of an intensity (20 pushups is not nothing, but if you stop at 20 every time, it's not like you'll keep making the imbalance worse) but adding another few exercises will only add like 5 mins total to your workout, and will give better overall results

Re: A comparative study: tongue muscle performance in weightlifters and runners

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Post by ahi »

tcoff91 wrote: post #17
lj3 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can still do cardio and maintain muscle mass. Sprinting is better than running miles and miles. But, if you want to run marathons or triathlons, google "alex viada the Hybrid Athlete." He's a bodybuilder who maintains his muscle mass and strength while also doing triathlons. He has a background in biochemistry and works in pharmaceuticals. At least he used to. I'm not sure if he still does.

Given his background in body building and pharma, I would bet he is using PEDs to be able to be a hybrid athlete.

Based on a google image search I think that's a safe assumption. Still impressive though.

Re: A comparative study: tongue muscle performance in weightlifters and runners

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Post by girvo »

tcoff91 wrote: post #17
lj3 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can still do cardio and maintain muscle mass. Sprinting is better than running miles and miles. But, if you want to run marathons or triathlons, google "alex viada the Hybrid Athlete." He's a bodybuilder who maintains his muscle mass and strength while also doing triathlons. He has a background in biochemistry and works in pharmaceuticals. At least he used to. I'm not sure if he still does.

Given his background in body building and pharma, I would bet he is using PEDs to be able to be a hybrid athlete.

I’d agree. The people I know who can reasonably simply be a “hybrid” are those who use various anabolic steroids, SARMs, and peptides, the latter two bring more interesting for this case as various ones target, say, joint damage and help repair them

Re: A comparative study: tongue muscle performance in weightlifters and runners

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Post by vibrio »

frodo3212 wrote: post #13

It would be interesting to see how muscle development faired and progressed with musicians. Opera singers, specifically. I can't think of another subset of the population who have explicitly geared themselves toward using these small muscles in ways which require both strength and endurance. An opera singers' entire musculature is geared toward natural, acoustic amplification, and their use of the tongue to manipulat…

Most wind instruments require pretty unique tongue actions for 'punctuation' of music. I can speak for the potential for trumpet to be pretty grueling on both lips and tongue for pieces that are rapid, staccato and/or long.

Re: A comparative study: tongue muscle performance in weightlifters and runners

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Post by ahi »

SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #8
curiositydriven wrote: post #3

Jokes aside, this is actually a very interesting study. We all know that physical characteristics are developed specifically by different activities (endurance for runners, strength for weightlifters). But I think most people would think this is due to local effects at the level of the muscle or specific neural circuits for different movements. This study suggests that a more general physical adaptation is at play, s…

Yeah, this is neat. I suppose it does make sense - running is going to have an effect on the whole cardiovascular system, the legs being just a part of that, and weightlifting will affect the whole of the CNS's ability to recruit muscle fibers, so it does stand to reason their would be systemic changes. The body becomes better in totality at what it practices, and it's neat to see evidence of this.

There may also be some self-selection when it comes to people who choose to be weightlifters or runners. Tongue strength differences may be a genetic correlation with particular body types rather than a result of training.

Re: A comparative study: tongue muscle performance in weightlifters and runners

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Post by Eric_WVGG »

notacoward wrote: post #2

I can only think of one activity where tongue endurance is important, and I guess it's good that runners come out ahead in that department.

I can think of another — sleeping.

A doctor named Mike Ilkes published a book claiming that snoring is mostly caused by weak muscles in the tongue, soft palate, and lower throat, and can be cured through simple exercise.

I can't vouch for the veracity of his claims yet, but ask me again in a few months…

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/health-fitness/body/simple-worko...

Re: A comparative study: tongue muscle performance in weightlifters and runners

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Post by davemp »

thr0awaz wrote: post #21
davemp wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Further off topic: high intensity workouts also have the benefit of being short and therefore easier to do after work :) --- A great workout that only requires an exercise bike is: - 4-5min of biking, sprinting for 30sec every minute. - no break, 20 push-ups, 20 squats, 20 crunches - ~1min break, repeat the above two more times The result should be a ~20min strength building exercise that is easy on the joints and ge…

Further off topic still... you need to add some pulling exercises to balance your pushups, maybe some vertical pulling and pushing (pullups, overhead presses) as well, and swapping the squats for lunges or step-ups once in a while will give you better overall leg development (squats for quads, lunges and stepups will work glutes and hamstrings a bit more) You're probably not going to run into issues with that low of…

Great input! I believe a serious workout would involve some sort of lifting routine before hand. This exercise is really just intended to get some cardio/endorphins without being heavily aerobic.
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