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Re: Absolute Beginner's Guide to Emacs (2012)

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Post by baldfat » Tue, Dec 04, 2018, 1:07 PM UTC

cjohansson wrote: post #19

kgwxd wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

RIP battery though.

Yeah Visual Studio Code drains battery, CPU and memory. Emacs is extremely resource-efficient, it's probably around thousand times more optimized than Visual Studio Code

> it's probably around thousand times more optimized than Visual Studio Code

I am not saying that VS Code is everyone's answer and choice but VS Code is resource friendly enough. Who cares about the resource difference between EMACS and VS Code in real world practicality? I know people love to bash anything electron but it really isn't anything to worry about when programing with anything that is 6 years old or newer.

VS Code is immediate and responsive on my Dell at work (10 years old) (I refuse to give it up even though I have several more computers but everyone needs a spare computer) what do we need besides that in terms of resource-efficient now a days? I know that it use to be a big deal and I propose that its a non-factor these days.

Re: Absolute Beginner's Guide to Emacs (2012)

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Post by androidgirl » Tue, Dec 04, 2018, 1:08 PM UTC

noelwelsh wrote: post #3

At some point I realised maintaining my own Emacs setup was just too much work. I've used a few Emacs setups (Prelude and Spacemacs are the ones I used for the longest) and now I use Doom: https://github.com/hlissner/doom-emacs It's very fast and has a lot of built-in in niceties, and I find it easier to understand than Spacemacs. If you use Doom make sure to use the develop branch.

That README feels like it's aimed explicitly at me. Maybe it's time to try it out

Re: Absolute Beginner's Guide to Emacs (2012)

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Post by fu86 » Tue, Dec 04, 2018, 1:08 PM UTC

noelwelsh wrote: post #3

At some point I realised maintaining my own Emacs setup was just too much work. I've used a few Emacs setups (Prelude and Spacemacs are the ones I used for the longest) and now I use Doom: https://github.com/hlissner/doom-emacs It's very fast and has a lot of built-in in niceties, and I find it easier to understand than Spacemacs. If you use Doom make sure to use the develop branch.

doom-emacs looks very nice, but development stopped on January? There is an "development" branch, which is ~4000 commits ahead from master. The documentation suggests fetching the master branch, so whats the deal here?

Re: Absolute Beginner's Guide to Emacs (2012)

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Post by zimablue » Tue, Dec 04, 2018, 1:09 PM UTC

purple_ducks wrote: post #4

I really feel VSCode is lining up to be the new goto IDE across multiple languages. Slightly less (directly) extensible than Emacs but still feels it can do pretty much everything that needs doing, plus way nicer & friendlier default UI.

VSCode has very much opposing philosophy to Emacs. It's a Microsoft product and it shows, they don't have standard concept of buffers/windows, so trying to do customization is ugly.

For example, you can't easily implement a shell which moves around the windows and can also sit on a side, because windows and sidebars are totally different concepts in the code.

VSCode depresses the hell out of me, it's almost a summary of the bad things of open source. Open source but most people will download it with spyware Open source but not really built as a nice platform to be meaningfully extended Open source and controlled by a single company Open source and used cynically as a wedge to pull developers into your orbit Open source and not at all written from an extensible mindset, just enough extensibility to trap people in Open source and will dominate other offerings because it has a big name behind it, so damages atom/emacs/etc Open source and pretty much an inferior copy of an existing thing (Atom)

Developers who are proud of using VSCode baffle me, have a word with yourselves.

Re: Absolute Beginner's Guide to Emacs (2012)

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Post by nothrabannosir » Tue, Dec 04, 2018, 1:12 PM UTC

baldfat wrote: post #21

cjohansson wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah Visual Studio Code drains battery, CPU and memory. Emacs is extremely resource-efficient, it's probably around thousand times more optimized than Visual Studio Code

> it's probably around thousand times more optimized than Visual Studio Code I am not saying that VS Code is everyone's answer and choice but VS Code is resource friendly enough. Who cares about the resource difference between EMACS and VS Code in real world practicality? I know people love to bash anything electron but it really isn't anything to worry about when programing with anything that is 6 years old or newer…

> Who cares about the resource difference between EMACS and VS Code in real world practicality?

I literally use different apps on battery vs wall power:

wall: Firefox, Slack, VSCode

battery: Safari, mail, Emacs

The difference is clear as night & day. Mac OS X has a tab in Activity Monitor where you can observe energy impact of different apps, and it consistently reports Electron apps as... psychotic. An order of magnitude (10x) more intensive than their native counterparts.

Re: Absolute Beginner's Guide to Emacs (2012)

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Post by oblio » Tue, Dec 04, 2018, 1:12 PM UTC

zimablue wrote: post #24

purple_ducks wrote: post #4

I really feel VSCode is lining up to be the new goto IDE across multiple languages. Slightly less (directly) extensible than Emacs but still feels it can do pretty much everything that needs doing, plus way nicer & friendlier default UI.

VSCode has very much opposing philosophy to Emacs. It's a Microsoft product and it shows, they don't have standard concept of buffers/windows, so trying to do customization is ugly. For example, you can't easily implement a shell which moves around the windows and can also sit on a side, because windows and sidebars are totally different concepts in the code. VSCode depresses the hell out of me, it's almost a summary…

Design choices are not always bad. And Open Source != not being opinionated.

Regarding the spyware thing, agreed, but at the end of the day, the makers choose how they distribute the thing. It's just like Chrome and many other products.

I, for one, am thankful that they're making available a high quality tool for free.

Re: Absolute Beginner's Guide to Emacs (2012)

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Post by saagarjha » Tue, Dec 04, 2018, 1:16 PM UTC

cjohansson wrote: post #19

kgwxd wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

RIP battery though.

Yeah Visual Studio Code drains battery, CPU and memory. Emacs is extremely resource-efficient, it's probably around thousand times more optimized than Visual Studio Code

Oh, have the tables turned…gone are the days of Eight Megs And Constantly Swapping :)

Re: Absolute Beginner's Guide to Emacs (2012)

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Post by dmitriid » Tue, Dec 04, 2018, 1:16 PM UTC

Wildgoose wrote: post #18

I have yet to encounter anything that can match the sheer flexibility of Emacs. For example I am currently using Org mode to write some documentation complete with hyper-links, tables, foot notes and the option to export the results as LaTeX, HTML, Open-Office, and so on with just a few keypresses. It's not just an editor, or an IDE, or even a windowing system - it is a cross-platform computing environment that can b…

Emacs is an OS that lacks a decent text editor (the joke is as old as Emacs).

Re: Absolute Beginner's Guide to Emacs (2012)

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Post by saagarjha » Tue, Dec 04, 2018, 1:16 PM UTC

baldfat wrote: post #21

cjohansson wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah Visual Studio Code drains battery, CPU and memory. Emacs is extremely resource-efficient, it's probably around thousand times more optimized than Visual Studio Code

> it's probably around thousand times more optimized than Visual Studio Code I am not saying that VS Code is everyone's answer and choice but VS Code is resource friendly enough. Who cares about the resource difference between EMACS and VS Code in real world practicality? I know people love to bash anything electron but it really isn't anything to worry about when programing with anything that is 6 years old or newer…

Battery life, mostly. This is also important if you’re running a lot of things at once.

Re: Absolute Beginner's Guide to Emacs (2012)

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Post by tiborsaas » Tue, Dec 04, 2018, 1:16 PM UTC

Wildgoose wrote: post #18

I have yet to encounter anything that can match the sheer flexibility of Emacs. For example I am currently using Org mode to write some documentation complete with hyper-links, tables, foot notes and the option to export the results as LaTeX, HTML, Open-Office, and so on with just a few keypresses. It's not just an editor, or an IDE, or even a windowing system - it is a cross-platform computing environment that can b…

How much time have you invested?