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Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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Post by bayindirh »

totfz wrote: post #398
feanaro wrote: post #320

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> I think modern Firefox is a much better browser than Chrome though, but Mozilla certainly lost the PR war and to no fault but their own, because Firefox sure sucked for a long while. This gets said often, but I've been using Firefox continually since 2003 and I've never noticed it sucking.

If you haven't used Chrome, no wonder you haven't noticed Firefox sucking. But a side-to-side speed and responsiveness comparison of Chrome and Firefox is unfair even today.

I use Firefox daily, alongside Chrome for a very long time. Firefox manages system resources much better, works way more stable, and behaves the way I want, without any exceptions.

Chrome feels like an untamed animal which does stuff without telling you, and I don't like it.

Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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Post by eksemplar »

skgoa wrote: post #359
eksemplar wrote: post #270

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I use Firefox for development, but I use safari (privately) and edge (professionally) for browsing, and see no real advantages to using either Firefox or Chrome for that. I think modern Firefox is a much better browser than Chrome though, but Mozilla certainly lost the PR war and to no fault but their own, because Firefox sure sucked for a long while.

Firefox sucking wasn't their own fault? I would say it was. I would also say that their continued bloating of firefox and ancilliary projects/services shows that they still haven't return to their original mission.

Yes, that’s why I said it was to no fault but their own.

Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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Post by feanaro »

totfz wrote: post #398
feanaro wrote: post #320

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I think modern Firefox is a much better browser than Chrome though, but Mozilla certainly lost the PR war and to no fault but their own, because Firefox sure sucked for a long while. This gets said often, but I've been using Firefox continually since 2003 and I've never noticed it sucking.

If you haven't used Chrome, no wonder you haven't noticed Firefox sucking. But a side-to-side speed and responsiveness comparison of Chrome and Firefox is unfair even today.

It's not that I haven't used Chrome from time to time. I just meant that I use Firefox as my primary browser.

Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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Post by coffeeaddicted »

cjcampbell wrote: post #140
sombremesa wrote: post #96

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I love using Firefox as my daily driver, and I can always pop open chrome if I really have to. What kind of life do you lead where your browser needs to have CORS constantly disabled?

This can be helpful in development scenarios. I’m supporting a team that uses localstack to support local development against some AWS services. Unfortunately, the CORS settings for localstack break the development environment. With Chrome allowing them to disable from the command-line, I can provide a shortcut to launch with degraded security, no plugins, no user settings, etc. My only wish is that Chrome would make…

Chromium pops up some yellow bar with a warning when you use those flags. Isn't Chrome doing the same?

Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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Post by feanaro »

woolvalley wrote: post #440
vvillena wrote: post #428

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When I notice a difference in responsiveness between Chrome and Firefox, it's usually due to the webpage being Chrome-optimized. I don't know why: maybe it was developed and tested under Chrome, maybe it uses features that work better on Chrome because they were developed and pushed by Google, or maybe the differences between the rendering engines favor Chrome. Google's own websites are some of the major culprits. Th…

I've noticed worse performance of firefox on macos compared to windows, to the point where firefox is unusable on many websites on a 2 core macbook pro. Even fucking facebook is slow on firefox, even with recent improvements.

Then this is likely an edge case/bug you are encountering because it is definitely not something I experienced.

Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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Post by nunodonato »

swozey wrote: post #150

I switched last week to Firefox after trying to go back to it over and over again, maybe once a year, for 5+ years. I absolutely love the Container system it has. I was fumbling around between Chrome profiles for GCP and back to my personal for gdrive/docs/etc. It just got cumbersome. I didn't really understand what the Containers were until I installed the extension and started to split up domains by Work and Person…

OMG THANK YOU SO MUCH! I was unaware of this. Been keeping chrome and chromium to use on specific cases for work accounts (email, banking, social media, etc). And now I can just consolidate everything with firefox, love it!! I can finally get rid of google's browsers :D

Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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Post by feanaro »

Silhouette wrote: post #406
feanaro wrote: post #320

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> I think modern Firefox is a much better browser than Chrome though, but Mozilla certainly lost the PR war and to no fault but their own, because Firefox sure sucked for a long while. This gets said often, but I've been using Firefox continually since 2003 and I've never noticed it sucking.

This gets said often, but I've been using Firefox continually since 2003 and I've never noticed it sucking. To this day, my browsing experience is still worse with Firefox than it was before 57, because so many useful little add-ons have never been replaced or have been replaced only with inferior versions. In some of those cases, that useful functionality can't be provided in the new environment, because the APIs to…

This I can relate with, but I would like to note that Firefox seems to be continually expanding its APIs and regaining functionality that was lost. In particular, [Tridactyl](https://github.com/tridactyl/tridactyl) (which tries to reimplement Pentadactyl, a kitchen-sink extension API consumer) works rather well. There are still some pain points, like the keyboard shortcut API which still hasn't been merged, but I am hopeful they eventually will be.

I too experience privacy extensions breaking websites frequently, since I'm a heavy user of those, but so far I have never encountered a case of a website that was truly broken under Firefox. It was always one of my settings and worked under a clean profile.

Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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Post by umichguy »

kansi wrote: post #452

Reading this breaks my heart. I have been a Firefox user for almost a decade now and I have good and bad memories with it. Since Quantum release my experience with FF has been nothing but exceptional. On a general day I have around ~15 pinned tabs and more than 50 other tabs open and FF handles it like a breeze. The memory usage is good given the fact that my workload is heavy. On a dual-core machine, I am able to re…

I was a dedicated user of FF since 2005/6 till about a year ago. I don't why I switched to Chrome, but since then haven't touched FF.

I need an app like Fox Clocks, which worked in FF only for a long time, but now is available on Chrome too.

Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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Post by xte »

I came back to Firefox after years on Chrom{e,ium} because of their bad evolution. FF is far for being good IMO but far less obscene than actual Chrome.

Anyway, brace yourself: an era of "proprietary web" is coming, with a worst lock-in than Windows era in the '90s.

Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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Post by distant_hat »

watt wrote: post #338
feanaro wrote: post #320

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> I think modern Firefox is a much better browser than Chrome though, but Mozilla certainly lost the PR war and to no fault but their own, because Firefox sure sucked for a long while. This gets said often, but I've been using Firefox continually since 2003 and I've never noticed it sucking.

When you log out, Firefox will block it and warn you that you are about to close number of tabs. When you select "OK", your tabs are gone. But Chrome will quietly exit, and when you start it next time, will offer to restore the tabs that were open last time. Chrome approach wins, hands down.

Except for tabs in incognito mode. I wish there was an 'OK' for Chrome too. Especially since it is so easy to hit Cmd-Q instead of Cmd-W.
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