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Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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Post by ngokevin »

red023 wrote: post #178

Mozilla is way better then the others but still not great. The numbers are so low because people do not care about any privacy whatsoever. I hope the pay the price one day and regret it. To name just one reason FFX sync is prate and secure by default unless all the others who use your bookmarks to sell them. You by default (you can disable it) share all you bookmarks with Google. Hell yeah hi Google I have torrent si…

More around 90% of the income. I think they would sustain better at a smaller capacity Wikipedia-style, but not 1000+ people multinationally. The ROI doesn't seem to be there versus the growth.

Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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Post by ripdog »

jhasse wrote: post #304
ripdog wrote: post #251

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Financially, Mozilla is currently entirely dependent on a search contract with Google, their mortal enemy. They obviously see that this relationship is extremely risky, especially as Firefox becomes less popular and thus their userbase less valuable to Google. As such, they're trying to diversify their revenue stream. Do you have any better solutions? Browsers are absurdly expensive to develop, by the way.

Become more popular by improving the product?

Firefox is improving by leaps and bounds every day.

But the market is not a meritocracy, as much as some people like to pretend it is. Success in the market is much more to do with things like marketing, momentum, inertia, and general opinions. All of these things are favoring Chrome right now, and Mozilla is not in a position to turn this around.

And you may not have noticed, but being popular doesn't actually give you money when your product is free and features no ads or tracking. All you are saying is that "google should give mozilla more money". How do you suggest they diversify their revenue stream?

Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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Post by sakisv »

arkh wrote: post #346
eksemplar wrote: post #270

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I use Firefox for development, but I use safari (privately) and edge (professionally) for browsing, and see no real advantages to using either Firefox or Chrome for that. I think modern Firefox is a much better browser than Chrome though, but Mozilla certainly lost the PR war and to no fault but their own, because Firefox sure sucked for a long while.

I think it's more like a new generation of people started using Mac OS on which I heard Firefox suck. So being already in a walled garden environment they did not care about entering Google's. Firefox was always good on other OS. And you got noscript there with full access to block everything Chrome does not want you to block.

FWIW, I use Firefox on High Sierra and I don't think it sucks at all.

About noscript:

Recently I was playing with it, in an attempt to curate which site is allowed to make connections to which domain but I discovered that I cannot do it on a per domain basis and every whitelisted entry was applied everywhere. Apparently that was something that could be configured at noscript's ABE panel which doesn't exist in the latest versions.

If you want per domain rules I would suggest trying umatrix instead.

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Post by lmedinas »

kgwxd wrote: post #166

If you don't want it on desktop for some crazy reason, at least replace Chrome with Firefox if you're on Android. uBlock Origin support alone is worth leaving behind any benefit you get with Chrome.

Firefox for me is really slow compared to Chrome, specially with uBlock.

I would recommend Firefox Focus/Klar instead.

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Post by tonyedgecombe »

dbot wrote: post #180
atombender wrote: post #35

I'd like to use Firefox. I've tried it out several times the last year. It's okay. Unfortunately, I always end up going back to Safari. Despite the performance improvements, Safari still feels like a faster, smoother browser. Firefox is still pretty ugly, too. On macOS, it feels chunkier and less natively integrated. Safari's "omnibar" is superior to Firefox's. Safari actually suggests web sites, which I use all the…

Safari's autosuggest of the numeric code from 2FA text messages is outstanding. I don't hear anyone talk about this feature, but I could never live without it. I use 2FA for every website possible and this makes it easy.

It's such a tiny thing but every time I use it I'm impressed.

Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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Post by shams93 »

Still has more market share than desktop Safari and is still #2 behind chrome on the desktop. Probably its market share is being eaten by chromeos devices. Ultimately it would be really bad for the internet to have Google effectively own it, regardless of whether they have made mistakes or not firefox as a project is too important to allow to fail.

Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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Post by totfz »

feanaro wrote: post #320
eksemplar wrote: post #270

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I use Firefox for development, but I use safari (privately) and edge (professionally) for browsing, and see no real advantages to using either Firefox or Chrome for that. I think modern Firefox is a much better browser than Chrome though, but Mozilla certainly lost the PR war and to no fault but their own, because Firefox sure sucked for a long while.

> I think modern Firefox is a much better browser than Chrome though, but Mozilla certainly lost the PR war and to no fault but their own, because Firefox sure sucked for a long while. This gets said often, but I've been using Firefox continually since 2003 and I've never noticed it sucking.

If you haven't used Chrome, no wonder you haven't noticed Firefox sucking. But a side-to-side speed and responsiveness comparison of Chrome and Firefox is unfair even today.

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Post by masklinn »

kiwijamo wrote: post #330
Klonoar wrote: post #104

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I'd support it if it felt like a first-class citizen on macOS. It's ironic that everyone decries Electron for not being native, then says you should use Firefox when it violates so much about the platform that it's not even funny. A bug about overflow scrolling (the default bouncing when you scroll over in macOS) has been open for years. It doesn't fit in.

My main machines (both personal and work) runs macOS and I find Firefox to fit in fine. Certaintly does what I expect 99.9% of the time. Scrolling for instance seems to work as expected (and on par with Safari which I occassionally use). Can you share more examples?

> Can you share more examples?

Keychain does not work, FF57 killed KSE.

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