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Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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Post by Illniyar »

To me Firefox is just blundering with it's marketing. It should be touting it's amazing features and showing how it eats chrome's lunch until chrome has no choice but to implement those features.

They should showcase containers, tree style tabs and other things that chrome can't do and are massive productivity and quality of life changes. Instead they market privacy and performance features and change their brand, which let's be frank barely interest even 9% of the people.

Any time I explain to people who see my browser about tree style tabs or containers, at least 30% switch, usually within days.

Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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Post by askmike »

watt wrote: post #356
sveme wrote: post #342

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a setting in both browsers. Default is "Start with Startpage or empty page" in both browsers as well. You can always select "Restore last session" in both browsers.

The problem is that if Firefox is getting this default wrong, what else are they getting wrong? And it should realize user state is sacred, I would even expect if I quit browser with something written in the address bar (or search bar, etc), when it starts up again, it should be able to preserve this half-entered user input!

I'm very happy that when I close my browser it kills all my tabs. If I really want something back I just view it from the history.

> I would even expect if I quit browser with something written in the address bar (or search bar, etc), when it starts up again, it should be able to preserve this half-entered user input!

I'm pretty sure no one expects nor wants this. You're definitely in a minority here. The problem you describe isn't very technical, it's simply that you want something else than most people else and you don't want to take the time to configure your browser to how you want it to behave.

Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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Post by snaky »

javitury wrote: post #325

What an irony. I've been using firefox for 10+ years and now it is faster, uses less resourses and doesn't crash. As a user, this is the browser I have been waiting for. Yes, dev tools features could be expanded as well as the plugin franework(vimperator!).But these are non-issues for regular users.

> now it is faster, uses less resourses and doesn't crash

XUL extensions removed, power users are angry and leaving. And the power users were the main driving force for Firefox adoption - mostly not by themselves, but as influencers for people around them.

What an irony indeed.

Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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Post by feanaro »

mherrmann wrote: post #318
feanaro wrote: post #314

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Less polished in what way?

The window and rendering is a bit more jittery. The UI is less slick. I do find static sites render faster in FF. But JS-heavy pages are (somewhat) faster in Chrome.

The UI being less slick seems like a very subjective thing, especially when phrased vaguely and without concrete detail of what's wrong. This is especially surprising to me given how similar the two browsers now look (see a comparison someone posted in a comment elsewhere: http://9ol.es/double-browser.png).

Firefox has actually been more responsive and less jittery for me than Chrome for quite some time, but I've seen various differing experiences in large enough numbers that I suspect this is dependent on many variables. Yet any difference I observe is still minimal. Can it really be that bad?

Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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Post by m-localhost »

pmoriarty wrote: post #234
0xADEADBEE wrote: post #183

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I am an edge-case but my favourite extensions are AdNauseum [1], CookieAutoDelete and NoScript. The first isn't even available on the Chrome store (although you can install it via Dev Mode [2]), and that's before I weight concerns like Google's dragnet. Totally agree with the Network Effect point though, and I hear Chrome's dev tools are quicker than Firefox's in DOM rendering. With regard to 2, I've not found it to…

I used NoScript forever, but recently switched to uMatrix, and it's so much better in that it gives you much more fine-grained control over what to block/allow. I'd recommend giving it a try. uBlock Origin is a great complement to it, for when I want to block specific page elements.

I use both in parallel and sometimes it's annoying to make a video player work (or captcha). I don't know how a video player can rely on 5000 injected dependencies from 5000 different domains.

Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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Post by mherrmann »

feanaro wrote: post #364
mherrmann wrote: post #318

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The window and rendering is a bit more jittery. The UI is less slick. I do find static sites render faster in FF. But JS-heavy pages are (somewhat) faster in Chrome.

The UI being less slick seems like a very subjective thing, especially when phrased vaguely and without concrete detail of what's wrong. This is especially surprising to me given how similar the two browsers now look (see a comparison someone posted in a comment elsewhere: http://9ol.es/double-browser.png ). Firefox has actually been more responsive and less jittery for me than Chrome for quite some time, but I've se…

No, it's not bad at all. Merely noticeable for me.

Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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Post by fwef64 »

One thing keeping me from using Firefox full-time is that when using heavier web applications like Google Cloud Console or Stackdriver it always hangs, shows a warning that the webapp is taking too long and asks me if I want to wait or stop it. This happens every time I try to load something. I looked for a way to disable this behavior but with no luck.

Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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Post by joking »

sk5t wrote: post #158
dak1 wrote: post #48

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I would love to use Firefox more for dev, but until it has a first class way to disable CORS, I can't. "CORS Everywhere" is not sufficient (it alters responses, but does not actually disable CORS, which doesn't cover all needs). Chrome I can at least disable CORS via the command line, and Safari does it best by putting it in a Developer menu that I can easily toggle. Firefox's dev tools also seem to still be behind —…

Most folks set up a little proxy--or configure CORS if the other end of the pipe is owned or cooperative--rather than throw out the baby with the bathwater due to inability to disable an important security measure.

angular dev environment already comes with that proxy incorporated.

Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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Post by Vinnl »

11235813213455 wrote: post #292
eksemplar wrote: post #270

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I use Firefox for development, but I use safari (privately) and edge (professionally) for browsing, and see no real advantages to using either Firefox or Chrome for that. I think modern Firefox is a much better browser than Chrome though, but Mozilla certainly lost the PR war and to no fault but their own, because Firefox sure sucked for a long while.

What I like in chrome is search shortcuts, example I start typing "thes" then press TAB, then I'm brought directly to https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/hello (possibly with little configuration). I don't think Firefox has similar things, last time I checked we have to use bookmarks or something

To add to the comments that show you how to configure something similar yourself, Firefox recently started including search shortcuts by default. This means you can now type `@google ` in a recent Firefox installation to search Google. More info here: https://blog.mozilla.org/futurereleases/2018/10/17/searching...

It's still not as smooth and doesn't support as many OpenSearch providers as Chrome's, but might already help a bit.

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