Microsoft should give up entirely on Internet browser development. I cannot see any good reason to throw their money away like this. They are a company too dependant on legacy software to bother competing with Google and Mozilla. Cloud services seem to be their brightest modern opportunity, but they really weren't prepared for the 2010's. Competing with Chrome is just chasing cars. Of course they've always had the advantage of being the default browser. I still don't think average users will ever see IE as anymore than a fly on a Window. Regardless of who's layout engine theyre forking.
Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10
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Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10
#222Broken shit should die. And Edge was definitely broke. Safari is next, with 5% market. Chrome is the clear winner in the end.
Safari is broken on purpose in a lot of ways when it comes to security, for better or for worse. I've had to do a lot of workarounds for Safari to compensate for the restrictions on cross-origin frames even though the host allows for the origin in its CSP, just as an example. Then of course there's the lack of support for WebRTC and virtually no support for PWAs. As Apple doesn't really view itself as a software comp…
Then of course there's the lack of support for WebRTC and virtually no support for PWAs.
From Webkit.org, June 7, 2017 [1]:
>Today we are thrilled to announce WebKit support for WebRTC, available on Safari on macOS High Sierra, iOS 11, and Safari Technology Preview 32. In this post, we will go through an overview of our implementation. We will have future posts that cover more best practices for developers.
[1] https://webkit.org/blog/7726/announcing-webrtc-and-media-cap...
For PWAs, you need Service Workers and some accompanying APIs and Safari seems to have those as well: https://webkit.org/blog/8090/workers-at-your-service/
Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10
#223What other options do they have? Even on HN you hear "I use Egde to download Chrome". Many of you here don't test your own work in Edge. At the same time Microsoft is getting the heat that Windows 10 is unstable and the last major update shows that it is. Very urgently, I imagine, Microsoft is trying to change the perception of Windows 10 by doing everything they can to make it more stable. Changing the browser engin…
It was a bad decision to make the logo similar to Internet Explorer, that alone is enough reason to not use it.
They can change the tech as much as they want. They can hire armies of engineers and make the browser 1000% faster than Chrome... but if they reuse the stupid logo it will fail again, and again, and again until they give up and forget that logo ever existed.
Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10
#224What other options do they have? Even on HN you hear "I use Egde to download Chrome". Many of you here don't test your own work in Edge. At the same time Microsoft is getting the heat that Windows 10 is unstable and the last major update shows that it is. Very urgently, I imagine, Microsoft is trying to change the perception of Windows 10 by doing everything they can to make it more stable. Changing the browser engin…
It was a bad decision to make the logo similar to Internet Explorer, that alone is enough reason to not use it. They can change the tech as much as they want. They can hire armies of engineers and make the browser 1000% faster than Chrome... but if they reuse the stupid logo it will fail again, and again, and again until they give up and forget that logo ever existed.
Unfortunately, for some people that "E" means "internet"
Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10
#225As a firefox fax, I hope this isn't true. The dominance of chrome isn't good for anyone. This will lead to (even more) sites not bothering to be made compatible with Firefox. We are headed back to the "designed for IE" days.
Yeah, this is just depressing and honestly a little baffling. Seems contrary to Microsoft's interests - why let Google control this aspect of the Web? (Obviously, MS will maintain their own fork and can permanently fork away whenever they want/need to, I guess, so it's not like they've locked themselves in forever, but still) I actually wasn't aware of the problems with Edge. This is the first I've heard of them... I…
I don’t think they intend to let Google control anything — least of all the future of the web. They have been burned too badly by them for that. They are more likely to do what Google did — they used WebKit in the early years of Chrome and then forked it to create Blink once it had gained enough traction. Microsoft is likely to do the same at some point — assuming their browser gains traction. And I, for one, hope it does — and that they make it cross platform. We need an a way to browse the web without Google tracking and Firefox is just not cutting it. And while Safari works, it is not available on other platforms.
Regarding the problems with Edge, mainstream websites don’t face problems — but you hit the edge cases (no pun intended) when you try to use it for smaller sites — and especially sites meant for limited audience — e.g. internal websites built by enterprises. They are often tested for Chrome and Firefox only — and maybe Safari if there are significant number of Macs in use.
I can’t really blame the developers for not wanting to waste their time on a browser with limited usage and — especially since it often presents challenges not posed by other browsers.
Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10
#226What other options do they have? Even on HN you hear "I use Egde to download Chrome". Many of you here don't test your own work in Edge. At the same time Microsoft is getting the heat that Windows 10 is unstable and the last major update shows that it is. Very urgently, I imagine, Microsoft is trying to change the perception of Windows 10 by doing everything they can to make it more stable. Changing the browser engin…
Embed Gecko or Servo?
Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10
#227Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why do we devs get the blame for avoiding their crap browser all that has burned us over and over? Repeatedly. For years. Hours and hours of frustration on this front. Encouraging the best-working alternative is the creation of monoculture? C'mon
Edge isn’t IE. That you don’t know that is indicative of the problem.
Have you opened up the dev tools?
Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10
#228Earlier quoted context omitted.
How is the situation better if there are two browsers with 50% market share? You still can’t add a new feature the other side doesn’t want, because 50% of users won’t be able to use it. Any feature that requires a site owner to do something to support it isn’t going to be added.
Your argument is easily proven false by looking at the various CSS properties prefixed by vendors like -moz-* and -webkit-* that eventually made it into the standard.
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Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10
#229I think this is interesting. What is more interesting to me is that this would have been a very good chance to align themselves with Apple (WebKit) or Mozilla instead. Effectively Google is far far more of threat than either of these two companies. In fact I think at this point Apple and Microsoft have so much more in common than different in terms of goals, they don’t even really compete head on anymore.
Shocks me they aren’t considering that
Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10
#230Earlier quoted context omitted.
It was a bad decision to make the logo similar to Internet Explorer, that alone is enough reason to not use it. They can change the tech as much as they want. They can hire armies of engineers and make the browser 1000% faster than Chrome... but if they reuse the stupid logo it will fail again, and again, and again until they give up and forget that logo ever existed.
Unfortunately, for some people that "E" means "internet"
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