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Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

#191

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For testing a client side app in development locally against a remote API, disabling cors is really handy. I have localhost.com in my hosts file and a local web server to run around it, but it's still really frustrating not being able to turn it off entirely.

Obviously I don't have context on your work, but in general, do you have control over remote API? If yes, you can setup different environments (dev, staging, production) and set CORS accordingly for each of them. If no, how is it working in production?

I develop browser based video games that talk to a central API that I control.

I mostly have the setup you describe, and most development happens against a CORS-free staging server. But it's often necessary to build a local prod version that is identical to the live version for debugging or analysis, that plays against real players and reads/writes to the same data store.

It's an edge case, and in the past when I've done web development simply turning off CORS on staging has trivially solved any issues. But it does feel a bit like the developers of the browsers have chosen not to include the feature in a "we're smarter than you, trust us, you don't want this" kind of way. For the most part, they're probably right.

Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

#192

I didn't see any indication as to their methodology for how they're calculating these stats. It's probably been said a zillion times before, but if it's JavaScript-based you can safely assume that they are incorrect as it's likely there is a large intersection between people browsing with an ad-blocker, private browsing, or with content blocker and those people using Firefox.

Seems very flawed.

They say: "...widely distributed over thousands of websites." https://netmarketshare.com/methodology

Looking at netmarkshet website and web requests it seems this pulls from gator.io for metrics. Looks like 3k-4k websites have this data which lines up with the previous statment. https://publicwww.com/websites/%22gator.io%22/

Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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Since I refuse to install apps on my phone for services I use that have websites, I'm a fairly heavy phone browser user.. so being able to adblock, block arbitrary JS (noscript), and kill tracking cookies is wonderful. > And Firefox for Android is pretty bad otherwise, unfortunately I disagree. Why do you think it is "pretty bad"?

> so being able to adblock Firefox Focus is my go to browser on Android, and it has ad blocking built in (as well as cookie / history erasure). That said, have you tried installing Blokada from FDroid? It sets up a local VPN on your phone and routes all network traffic through it, blocking all ads in all apps. It's astonishing how many ads and trackers your phone would otherwise download in a week.

Thanks for this!

Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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post #166

If you don't want it on desktop for some crazy reason, at least replace Chrome with Firefox if you're on Android. uBlock Origin support alone is worth leaving behind any benefit you get with Chrome.

If you don't mind having a Chromium-based browser, Brave is also quite good and include a native ad blocker.

Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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I'd like to use Firefox. I've tried it out several times the last year. It's okay. Unfortunately, I always end up going back to Safari. Despite the performance improvements, Safari still feels like a faster, smoother browser. Firefox is still pretty ugly, too. On macOS, it feels chunkier and less natively integrated. Safari's "omnibar" is superior to Firefox's. Safari actually suggests web sites, which I use all the…

> I also tried out Firefox on iOS some time ago... I was in the process of switching to Firefox from Chrome, and a few days after installing Firefox on iOS it interrupted me with a notification advertising Pocket. I immediately uninstalled it and haven't looked back.

I use Pocket, though not with Firefox. It is a very good and useful (and free!) service. I wouldn't disregard a browser just because it comes with built-in integration.

Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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Been really enjoying Firefox, especially after Quantum. More devs should support and use it, lest we be beholden to Chrome for the rest of time.

I agree more option other chrome is a positive. Started to use duck duck go browser on mobile and so far so good.

Firefox has always been a resource hog and crash prone for me on just about any system. Although I use it primarily for some of its features and prefer it over chrome.

Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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I really want to use Safari, but for me the deal breaker is the fact that Safari doesn't seem to block pop-ups properly. Yes, they've changed it in the latest version. I have Block and Notify option selected in Privacy tab. But many popups still go through -- sometimes they open in a new tab, sometimes in a new window. Is there a way to fix that? Also, is there a Tree Style Tab alternative for Safari?

What websites are you getting these on?

I consistently see it on random blogs.

Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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post #187

I'd like to use Firefox. I've tried it out several times the last year. It's okay. Unfortunately, I always end up going back to Safari. Despite the performance improvements, Safari still feels like a faster, smoother browser. Firefox is still pretty ugly, too. On macOS, it feels chunkier and less natively integrated. Safari's "omnibar" is superior to Firefox's. Safari actually suggests web sites, which I use all the…

> Firefox is still pretty ugly, too. On macOS, it feels chunkier and less natively integrated. Mozilla have put a tremendous amount of effort into the "ugly on every platform" cross platform tools over the years, from XUL to whatever the current one is. Developing a native UI for each platform would have been less effort and given much better results than continuing with this tried and failed approach. Their latest a…

Every single rewrite of a Gecko component in Rust has been accompanied with architectural improvements, most notably Stylo. Nobody is rewriting things just because Rust.

Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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To be fair, FF shot themselves in the foot. They didn't keep pace with Chrome. I use FF and think it is better NOW, but that wasn't always the case. I think that's where they lost their market share. I'm glad they put the work into Quantum. But it is going to be hard to regain that market share.

The classic problem of being first to market in software, is that your competition can learn from your design and move forward with a fresh code. Firefox is still trying to shed off code from a decade ago. The history of browsers is littered with legacy code being defeated by new code.

Except Chrome wasn't some brand new project. It was Webkit which was KHTML and dated back to the mid 90s. They just wrote their, uh, chrome layer and js engine a half decade later which were, and still are, reaping tangible benefits.

Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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This is pretty disastrous for the world. I don't know how much it effects Mozilla, but it's terrible for people's privacy and a web that is at least a little independent of a small number of giant companies who have a history of being bad actors.

Also, how the heck is Internet Explorer more popular than Firefox? Even Microsoft doesn't want people using it.

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