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Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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Post by justsee »

henryw wrote: post #87
justsee wrote: post #55

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I just deleted Chrome, and switched to Brave as my full-time personal browser: faster, more secure, and based on Chromium so full extension support[1]. I still use and support Firefox for development purposes, and am wedded to containers, but apart from that it's Brave all the way (especially on mobile, which has been my default browser for over a year now). [1] Excluding anything that bakes in Google spyware, and I…

Thanks for suggesting Brave. Just downloaded it, and it seems very well put together. Interesting how that plan to pay you to view ads.

Even better is that it's optional, so those of us who don't want to see any ads but still want to support sites are in a position to tip / donate / potentially subscribe to sites across the web using a browser-native crypto wallet.

That also means I can financially support sites without handing over any PII data as well.

It's up to them to offer a deal to get subscriber data (marketers gonna market), but the bar is increasingly high as we see hacks like Quora.

I think we're moving to a world where publishers will see that an MVP business model is 'dollars without data', and BAT with ZKP anonymity enables that.

Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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Post by Stratoscope »

chipperyman573 wrote: post #168
cjcampbell wrote: post #140

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This can be helpful in development scenarios. I’m supporting a team that uses localstack to support local development against some AWS services. Unfortunately, the CORS settings for localstack break the development environment. With Chrome allowing them to disable from the command-line, I can provide a shortcut to launch with degraded security, no plugins, no user settings, etc. My only wish is that Chrome would make…

>My only wish is that Chrome would make it more obvious that it’s running with these protections disabled. I know this is beginning to become off-topic, but why? Presumably, if you're using a flag that has to be run from the command-line, you're either doing it on purpose or using hardware you don't own (and a keylogger is a much greater risk than anything else at that point)

I can't speak for OP, but for me the problem is that I likely already have normal Chrome windows open when I start a "special" Chrome instance with a private profile and other settings. So now when I see a Chrome window I would like to be sure whether it's my normal user profile or the special profile.

In practice, it's not a problem for me, because the presence or absence of my usual row of extension icons and profile photo is enough of a clue.

But I could see where someone who doesn't normally sign into Chrome, or who doesn't have very many extensions in their normal Chrome profile, could have trouble distinguishing it from their a profile. The windows will tend to look pretty similar.

Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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Post by chipperyman573 »

kgwxd wrote: post #166

If you don't want it on desktop for some crazy reason, at least replace Chrome with Firefox if you're on Android. uBlock Origin support alone is worth leaving behind any benefit you get with Chrome.

Seconded. Plus, you can install HTTPS everywhere.

One thing I would mention, though, is that using google services will all downgrade themselves if you use firefox for android. For example, this is the exact same search in chrome: https://i.imgur.com/uK8Tr9I.png and in firefox: https://i.imgur.com/pEBphaQ.png (both using the same android phone). It's even worse if you're trying to use a "near me" search. I don't want to put an image for privacy reasons but major functionality is removed, such as the ability to view the business's hours(!) Also, google maps doesn't seem to work in firefox. And when it does, it's very slow.

However, there's a really easy solution to this! Install a user-agent switcher and have firefox identify as chrome. These problems will all immediately go away.

Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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Post by kibwen »

fabrice_d wrote: post #120
kibwen wrote: post #28

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> it's hard to argue that drop isn't related to a drop in the underlying number of users We would need more data to determine that. What the site here is showing is a decline in the percentage of marketshare, which is a relative measure, not an absolute one. Even if Firefox were seeing a net gain of users, if it's doing so at a slower rate than the market is growing overall, then that would be reflected as a decline…

According to Mozilla's own data ( https://data.firefox.com/dashboard/user-activity ) they went from 303M monthly active users at the end of Nov. 2017 to 277M this year. This is a serious drop.

Very interesting link, thanks! Frankly, I'd much rather see that submitted to HN than a site like netmarketshare, who are known for applying opaque weights to their data in an attempt to normalize regions.

Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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Post by paraditedc »

reitzensteinm wrote: post #136
paraditedc wrote: post #100

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Curious what use cases you have for disabling CORS? Is it for 3rd party domains and APIs or response that you control? Either way, controlling it in browser doesn't sound like the right way.

For testing a client side app in development locally against a remote API, disabling cors is really handy. I have localhost.com in my hosts file and a local web server to run around it, but it's still really frustrating not being able to turn it off entirely.

Obviously I don't have context on your work, but in general, do you have control over remote API?

If yes, you can setup different environments (dev, staging, production) and set CORS accordingly for each of them.

If no, how is it working in production?

Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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Post by Klonoar »

rangibaby wrote: post #153
Klonoar wrote: post #104

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I'd support it if it felt like a first-class citizen on macOS. It's ironic that everyone decries Electron for not being native, then says you should use Firefox when it violates so much about the platform that it's not even funny. A bug about overflow scrolling (the default bouncing when you scroll over in macOS) has been open for years. It doesn't fit in.

There used to be a proper Mac fork of FF (Camino), maybe it’s time to revive that

Camino was fantastic, used it back in the day. :)

I'm not sure what Mozilla's deal is these days, to be honest, but Firefox really just doesn't feel like it fits in on Mac. It's frustrating, because I want to support it... but I just end up back in Safari because it feels far more smooth and integrated.

Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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Post by red023 »

Mozilla is way better then the others but still not great.

The numbers are so low because people do not care about any privacy whatsoever. I hope the pay the price one day and regret it.

To name just one reason FFX sync is prate and secure by default unless all the others who use your bookmarks to sell them. You by default (you can disable it) share all you bookmarks with Google. Hell yeah hi Google I have torrent sites or whatever PRIVATE stuff bookmarked. Here have it all and store it instill I am dead. And when I find out about it and disable it you already have what I need from my initial sync. Thanks yeah you are so nice to me Google.

I know a few year(s)? ago FFX was still the most user in Germany (where people generally do care more about privacy and things like that). But when I look at the stats now it seems Google has managed to even Brainwash the Germans.

Mozilla is not even very good on the claims they have. They may be working closely with the Tor browser team but I think Firefox should essentially become something like the Tor browser. Their Addons have become a walled garden as the recent cause about that paywall prevention Addon that got kicked of the "store" showed. If I got that right people can not even install it in stable versions of FFX.

Also that "Profile" Generator showed here on HN as well shows they have several deeps flaws in the browsers that need addons for fixing like canvar tracking and stuff I did not even know about. The Tor brower does all this things by default. Why does Firefox do not even have UI to some of those settings and others even need extra addons ...

I could go on. Here I am criticizing Mozilla when I actually thing there are the best browser Vendor ever. They are an non-profit. They have done so many great things for the web and there was only as extreme short tiem where I was about to switch to Chromium because the devtools or Firebox where really really slow and clunky. I am a Forefox user from the very start and I am really disgusted how Google pushed their Browser in their searches to the point that even Linux users who have if they really want to install Chromium. They should just use FFX. But what are they doing? They install Chrome. Google has even brianwashed Linux users into thinking they need Chrome. Chrome is 99% chromium with 1% proprietary Google crap on top of it. If really baffles me how stupid people are.

I lost could on how many Linux tutorials and "First things to do after installing ..." I read that had Chrome in there. Just yesterday I read a top answer on AskUbuntu about how to enabled unattended installs for PPAs and Chrome was yet again there in the example. Chromimum is right there in the sources you Idiots. Why would you infest your almost entirely open source OS with this Google crap?

Firefox is a good browser and Quantum made is faster and less resource hungry. Mozilla works on this new Browser engine with Samsung that speeds things up by a lot. Many parts are already in FFX today but I think the main parallel GPU rendering stuff is not yet. Not up to speed with that. Anyway Chrome may be "faster" in benchmarks or "feel faster" but believe me this few milliseconds are really really not worth it.

Mozilla also (until now) allows Adnauseam that clicks every ads it finds, based on uBlock origin. Chrome forbids this Addon lol but you inlike in FFX just can sideload it. I love that concept and its the Adblocker I use. It may help them with tracking me but I just love the fact that I might cause them pay per click losses.

Mozilla is not as good and as anti advertising as I would like them to. I mean Google payed 40% of their income at a time how independent can they be? They redirect search tos the this evil data snake for money to this day. I heared their CEO talk about how she likes some ads but she does not like the tracking lol. So she wants ads that do not relate to her so why not just no ads at all?

Oh the other hand where would they be without Google money? I am wondering if they would be able to make it crowd funded with Wikipedia style "annoy beg to donate ads" across half the screen.

Ok

Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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Post by dbot »

atombender wrote: post #35

I'd like to use Firefox. I've tried it out several times the last year. It's okay. Unfortunately, I always end up going back to Safari. Despite the performance improvements, Safari still feels like a faster, smoother browser. Firefox is still pretty ugly, too. On macOS, it feels chunkier and less natively integrated. Safari's "omnibar" is superior to Firefox's. Safari actually suggests web sites, which I use all the…

Safari's autosuggest of the numeric code from 2FA text messages is outstanding. I don't hear anyone talk about this feature, but I could never live without it. I use 2FA for every website possible and this makes it easy.
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