Tumblr will ban all adult content on December 17th • Hacker News Board

Re: Tumblr will ban all adult content on December 17th

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Post by iamdave » Tue, Dec 04, 2018, 1:12 AM UTC

kinos wrote: post #235

iamdave wrote: post #205

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Tumblr as a platform exists on shared content, and actively measures, and provides to the user-measurements of "reblogs". In the context of this discussion, so many user account blogs that could be tagged as 'adult content' are full of reblogged sexual images that the account owner identifies with or wants to advertise as the type of sexual activity they are interested in. Many comments here are pointing out Fetlife…

Ah, that makes sense. I was seeing it from the point of view that reblogs are seen as just that. A method of sharing, not a method of laying claim. Its a way of saying "Look at this thing, and heres the source" thats pretty simple to do. To me, "Content" implies stuff you uploaded directly, being the source yourself. I can see the confusion now.

To me, "Content" implies stuff you uploaded directly, being the source yourself.

You'll sometimes see someone tag a picture post, if they tag it at all, if it's something the blogger actually created themselves with #oc for "original content" or they'll just tell you as much in the caption. Not always, but sometimes.

I'm not on tumblr for the porn (I read it for the articles, I swear), but a lot of the mechanisms and meta-memes of how people use the platform are pretty consistent across subgroups.

Re: Tumblr will ban all adult content on December 17th

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Post by somebodythere » Tue, Dec 04, 2018, 1:15 AM UTC

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #380

bilbo0s wrote: post #274

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Not to put too fine a point on it, but if it was that valuable to you, all of you guys should have gotten together and offered to start paying. The next website you guys find yourselves on, you should really consider paying.

I'm inclined to agree with the general sentiment here—the fact that no one is willing to pay for software is harmful in the long run, because companies find other ways of extracting money, that either harm the product itself or the user. But, asking users to "get together and offer to start paying money" in exchange that's free is completely unreasonable. Tumblr didn't offer any kind of payment avenue.

You can purchase premium themes.

Re: Tumblr will ban all adult content on December 17th

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Post by jacquesm » Tue, Dec 04, 2018, 1:20 AM UTC

barry-cotter wrote: post #384

jacquesm wrote: post #290

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These online groups have the same advantage that many other cults have over their victims: they can re-try until they find enough buttons to press that work to bring out the vulnerable people. It's like negotiating against a much more experienced adversary: you're going to lose. The only way to deal with that stuff is not to get exposed to it in the first place. Something similar happens with advertising, there too t…

This is bull. I have had ample exposure to far right and far left groups and their philosophy as well as many varieties of weird deviant porn and a plethora of other subcultures the wider world would look askance at. I fall pretty squarely within normal. Online subcultures can’t target people because online subcultures don’t have memories, minds or goals. They are distributed patterns of behaviour, beliefs and norms,…

> Brainwashing doesn’t work.

It looks like there is ample evidence to the contrary. The fact that it doesn't work on you is great but the number of cults out there that have successfully managed to co-opt large numbers of otherwise pretty intelligent people (and let's not get started on religion) and that have managed to get these people to act against their self interest, to harm people they loved and to do things they would never ever do under normal circumstances is proof positive that brainwashing does in fact work.

To say that they 'change their own minds' is victim blaming of the very worst sort.

Groups and pressure from groups on an individual are extremely effective means to get people to conform. The need to belong is extremely strong and a very powerful button to press and all kinds of groups have abused this and other psychological levers to gain power over others.

So yes, online subcultures which consist of large number of individuals are able to influence other individuals. They have a collective memory and they act as emergent structures that have a lot more power than each individual.

Your personal experience is - unfortunately - not a very good guide for this.

Re: Tumblr will ban all adult content on December 17th

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Post by jacquesm » Tue, Dec 04, 2018, 1:23 AM UTC

wtracy wrote: post #381

jacquesm wrote: post #290

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These online groups have the same advantage that many other cults have over their victims: they can re-try until they find enough buttons to press that work to bring out the vulnerable people. It's like negotiating against a much more experienced adversary: you're going to lose. The only way to deal with that stuff is not to get exposed to it in the first place. Something similar happens with advertising, there too t…

Does anyone have any resources that explore how these groups achieve these things? (Especially the process of alienating inductees from friends and family--that's scary stuff.) It seems like understanding how these systems work would be a prerequisite for protecting your loved ones (or even yourself!).

Read up on Scientology. It's pretty much a textbook example of how it is done.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disconnection

See also, the Fishman affidavit and a lot of other bits and pieces of the COS internal documents that were leaked or published.

https://kspaink.home.xs4all.nl/fishman/home.html

Re: Tumblr will ban all adult content on December 17th

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Post by torstenvl » Tue, Dec 04, 2018, 1:33 AM UTC

sparkie wrote: post #375

scelerat wrote: post #374

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> but /r/politics is pretty much exactly what became of Digg Could you say some more about what you mean by that?

A filtered news feed of the political left. The difference is /r/politics has a whitelist of "acceptable" domains. Essentially anything left of Lenin is OK, and anything else is deemed "far right". The bury brigades still exist in the comments.

Irony abounds.

Re: Tumblr will ban all adult content on December 17th

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Post by jazzyjackson » Tue, Dec 04, 2018, 1:36 AM UTC

bk8335 wrote: post #301

x0x0 wrote: post #71

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The vast vast majority of advertisers do not want to be displayed next to porn. Think of tumblr as nothing but a way to get pageviews for Cheerios and Volvo ads. It explains their decisions perfectly.

Except people who watch porn also buy Cheerios and Volvo's - I've never understood why such a massive market is always immediately ruled out in such an ad hungry world.

I think the disconnect here is that advertising has a tacit endorsement of the site, everyone knows Volvo and General Foods is writing a check to the pornography host to display their ads.

Brands were so freaked out to have their dish detergent show up next to an ISIS video because whoever uploaded the video gets their check for $5 or whatever, and then they're literally supporting terrorism.

Re: Tumblr will ban all adult content on December 17th

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Post by bjornstar » Tue, Dec 04, 2018, 1:44 AM UTC

They really downplayed the effect of Apple removing the tumblr app from their app store. With the tumblr app is still gone from the Apple app store for 3 weeks now, it's very hard not to see this move as being directed by Apple.

I think it's disappointing that they chose to block all adult content rather than filter adult content in the iOS app. The world would be much better off without Apple dictating what we can put on our websites.

Re: Tumblr will ban all adult content on December 17th

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Post by Mindwipe » Tue, Dec 04, 2018, 1:45 AM UTC

chipotle_coyote wrote: post #390

pdimitar wrote: post #9

If Verizon bought Tumblr with the sole purpose of having one more service to serve ads to, and if banning the adult content move aims to please the advertisers then oh boy, are they in for a nasty surprise. Tumblr will become a ghost town in days.

While "Tumblr is for porn" seems to be received wisdom, let me play devil's advocate (angel's advocate?): most of us are just taking that for granted without digging in. In 2016, Motherboard actually did the digging, and discovered a few interesting numbers, categorizing 130M Tumblr users into "producers" of porn, "consumers" (those who follow the producers), and "unintentionally exposed" users who don't follow porn…

Motherboard's methodolgy is highly dubious.

There are former Tumblr staff members on Twitter saying it will lose 50% of the userbase. Losing 50% of the userbase will unquestionably kill the site stone dead.

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Post by village-idiot » Tue, Dec 04, 2018, 1:45 AM UTC

sleepybrett wrote: post #323

village-idiot wrote: post #239

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It’s not like 4chan is the first cult to start up and rope in otherwise functioning adults.

there are functioning adults that frequent 4chan. I think not.

First, my point is not specific to any one crazy movement or community. QAnon is the most recent one, but anyone historically aware can point to a variety of similar examples.

Second, if you think QAnon is relegated to only those who visit 4chan, I have very bad news for you.

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Post by village-idiot » Tue, Dec 04, 2018, 1:48 AM UTC

ryanmarsh wrote: post #269

cm2012 wrote: post #252

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QAnon stuff gets millions of shares on Facebook every week. It's nuts and not a tiny slice of people. Ballpark 20% of republican voters at the very least believe in this stuff.

At least 20%. I’m right wing. Lemme tell yah.

I mean this question without any malice or partisanship, because I’m genuinely curious. What’s it feel like to watch those in your political in group seemingly lose their minds? Has it affected your opinions or relationships with fellow conservatives?