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While I agree with you in general I must say that I think your view of the 20th century is a bit too dystopian. Humanity has improved in the last one hundred years, and measurably so.
With what measurement, out of curiousity?
Brooke the Immortal: An American Child May Hold Secrets to Aging
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#52Earlier quoted context omitted.
You're probably familiar with the case of Henrietta Lacks. Do you happen to know how these things are handled abroad? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henrietta_Lacks
Yes, very much so; her story took place at my hospital. The way that her story is presented to us varies with who does the presenting, but no matter the spin, it's hard not to feel terribly for her and her family. I'm not familiar with how this works abroad, which is why I tried to qualify my statement.
If anything, I think it's sad that the father sees his daughter as some sort of valuable item, rather than working with researchers to help figure out why this developmental problem came about.
Even if the genetic information is an important piece of the puzzle of immortality, is keeping this information from the public, and himself, in anyone's best interest?
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#53I've always wondered about the human body. Right now I am studying engineering, but eventually I would like to delve deep into anatomy and biology. An automobile can theoretically run forever as long as it is properly maintained, even if that means replacing major parts - engine, transmission, even frame (but at a certain point the repairs are no longer financially feasible). Why then, can't the human body last forev…
Unfortunately, we are limited by which organs and tissues we can replace. Case in point: we cannot transplant the brain. Intracellular and extracellular buildup (eg. amyloid beta, lipofuscins, etc) will cause inflammation and cellular damage, and there is no way to remove them. Loss of telomeres and the accumulation of mutations leads to the breakdown of the genome, which is the host of the majority of a cell's state information. We ARE computer programs, and the moment memory gets corrupted things start to break down and behave improperly. The probability of any one of an unlimited number disease states in a cell correlates also with the level of misfolded, degraded, improperly tagged or trafficked gene products, which will always increase with time, even if the central program is well-behaved.
Remaining at homeostasis requires us to not reach chemical equilibrium, which requires we consume a ton of energy. Converting the necessary molecules during cellular metabolism puts our cells under heavy oxadative stress. Living requires a substantial number of evolved countermeasures, but eventually it will all catch up to us.
Why then are we so inept in our understanding of biology? The sheer astounding complexity of our biological machinery is not matched by any other problem that faces us. Biotechnology is amazing, but we are vastly limited by what we can do outside the context of in vitro techniques or simple, sacaled down in vivo assays. The real systm is always too complex to fully understand, and with so many unknowns we are essentially flying without radar. We can study proteins, promoters, etc. (slowly and with great difficulty) but we cannot "repair" them. We can't excise a damaged region of the genome and replace it at will. You would probably be shocked to see what techniques are actually even available--with my own limited experience it often feels like we are blindly throwing darts at targets that may not even exist. Our sequence information gives us clues, but we lack structural information (especially post-translational modifications) or knowledge of interaction details in the biochemical pathway.
If every physicist, computer scientist, mathematician or engineer stopped what they were doing and began work on this problem we might make some headway. Right now our hands are tied. This is absolutely the most important and complex problem in the world. We need the transcriptome, proteome, interactome, complete structure data, better algorithms, faster computers, higher resolution imaging (spatial, temporal, etc), better techniques, higher througput, I could go on and on. We certainly haven't entered the industrial age of biotech yet...
Do consider giving biology a try. We could use you and everyone willing. If you want to live twice as long, not get cancer or Alzheimer's, or cure any important infectious diseases, you should join us. Especially if you're a logical and abstract thinker.
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#54Interesting. I always thought that living beings age just because they were programmed to do so, because that's how the genetic algorithm works I guess.
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#55Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes, very much so; her story took place at my hospital. The way that her story is presented to us varies with who does the presenting, but no matter the spin, it's hard not to feel terribly for her and her family. I'm not familiar with how this works abroad, which is why I tried to qualify my statement.
How do you feel her family is being hard done by? This girl is certainly not the model of immortality that the article makes her out to be. She's likely to have a very hard life. If anything, I think it's sad that the father sees his daughter as some sort of valuable item, rather than working with researchers to help figure out why this developmental problem came about. Even if the genetic information is an important…
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#57"The length of the telomeres, on the other hand, corresponds to her actual age. " how come "immortality" comes to play here?
For example, suppose that we had medical treatments to prevent cancer, almost all infectious diseases, and aging. Your life expectancy goes up, but sooner or later you're going to be hit by a bus or something -- not exactly eternal life. But still a darn sight better than having a mere 8 years as your life expectancy.
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#58We are not ready for immortality yet. Just think of the strain it would put on the already overpopulated earth. Resources are already scarce and we are searching for more efficient ways of using energy. Moral, Economic and Social Consequences would be disastrous.
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#59As stated in the article, assuming we do figure out how to make people live forever (or a very long time), Who is allowed to use it? The rich? The fastest? Strongest? Smartest?
Everyone can't live forever, there would be too many people. Unless we move to colonize space of course.
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With what measurement, out of curiousity?
Standard stuff. Child mortality for example or GDP, literacy, poverty and so on. There are some countries which are lagging behind and some which have gone backwards but the planet as a whole has progressed.
Beyond that, surely child mortality, literacy, and poverty are enough to prove your point, GDP doesn't really even fit!