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China ‘Is the Only One in the Race’ to Make Electric Buses, Taxis and Trucks

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Re: China ‘Is the Only One in the Race’ to Make Electric Buses, Taxis and Trucks

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Post by cauldron »

Western media can't see through the veneer, it's true that China has vast amounts of eletric vehicle, but it's due in part to the tax cut and subsidies offered, the vehicles are generally of low quality and little effort put in, some look like ugly plastic toys, no real technology edge across-the-board.

Some cars are just cobbled together to claim subsidies or even defraud the government, since the subsidies are kinda huge, they can ask sky high prices for those garbage cars and make staggering amounts of profit. Just search China EV Subsidy Fraud.

You can say on application side, China is ahead, but on technology side, the US is years ahead.

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Post by timClicks »

zizee wrote: post #13
neonate wrote: post #9

https://outline.com/C7Nddc

This is helpful because the article is behind a paywall, but it makes me curious about the ethical/moral/legal questions that arise from a tool that seemingly copies other site's content verbatim. People might get annoyed with publishers like WJS for putting content behind a paywall, but at least they are trying to find a sustainable model in this post-web world. Putting up a paywall is a pretty gutsy move given the…

On the face of it, it's pure copyright infringement. I have no idea how the site intends to stay alive once it's big enough to make money. As soon as it attracts a decent user base, it'll be a great target for a lawsuit. Moreover, copyright infringement also carries criminal liability.

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

zizee wrote: post #13
neonate wrote: post #9

https://outline.com/C7Nddc

This is helpful because the article is behind a paywall, but it makes me curious about the ethical/moral/legal questions that arise from a tool that seemingly copies other site's content verbatim. People might get annoyed with publishers like WJS for putting content behind a paywall, but at least they are trying to find a sustainable model in this post-web world. Putting up a paywall is a pretty gutsy move given the…

> it makes me curious about the ethical/moral/legal questions that arise from a tool that seemingly copies other site's content verbatim

As someone who pays for journalism, and appreciates quality journalism over clickbait, this thoroughly pisses me off. Particularly when you have users such as this one who seem to single-mindedly comment with Outline links.

Re: China ‘Is the Only One in the Race’ to Make Electric Buses, Taxis and Trucks

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Post by zizee »

abc-xyz wrote: post #19
zizee wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is helpful because the article is behind a paywall, but it makes me curious about the ethical/moral/legal questions that arise from a tool that seemingly copies other site's content verbatim. People might get annoyed with publishers like WJS for putting content behind a paywall, but at least they are trying to find a sustainable model in this post-web world. Putting up a paywall is a pretty gutsy move given the…

The article have 76 cookies (48 third-party), and send almost 300 third-party requests that violate the privacy of the readers. https://webbkoll.dataskydd.net/en/results?url=http%3A%2F%2Fw... I think people should be more curious and concerned about the ethical and moral behaviour of these publishers.

This is a good argument for usage of adblockers/privacy tools, or simply not visiting offending sites, or requesting more transparency about the tracking tools, or agitating for stricter privacy laws...

I don't this is a good argument for republishing someone else's work without permission.

> I think people should be more curious and concerned about the ethical and moral behaviour of these publishers.

Can we not do both?

Re: China ‘Is the Only One in the Race’ to Make Electric Buses, Taxis and Trucks

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Post by yread »

cauldron wrote: post #21

Western media can't see through the veneer, it's true that China has vast amounts of eletric vehicle, but it's due in part to the tax cut and subsidies offered, the vehicles are generally of low quality and little effort put in, some look like ugly plastic toys, no real technology edge across-the-board. Some cars are just cobbled together to claim subsidies or even defraud the government, since the subsidies are kind…

They are used in Europe as well, for example Liverpool has a fleet of BYD electrical buses

https://www.masstransitmag.com/home/press-release/12371883/b...

And they don't look that bad.

> ugly plastic toys

You were thinking of Teslas, perhaps? ducks

Re: China ‘Is the Only One in the Race’ to Make Electric Buses, Taxis and Trucks

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Post by njarboe »

marvin wrote: post #17
chillacy wrote: post #6

Just came back from Shenzen, seemed like most of the taxis were electric. You can tell because they're blue vs the red gas taxis. Another ingenious thing they do is there's an added fee to ride red taxis, so people avoid them like they're plague-ridden when they have other options. I thought that was a brilliant use of taxing externalities, you let customers decide whether paying the fee is worth it.

That type of taxation of externalities is really a no-brainer in the West too, but there’s just not democratic majority for implementing it. A tragedy. Tragedy of the commons, really, on a spectacular scale. A general CO2 tax wouldn’t be hard to implement if we were a dictatorship.

It might be if your most powerful general owned the national oil company.

Re: China ‘Is the Only One in the Race’ to Make Electric Buses, Taxis and Trucks

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

cauldron wrote: post #21

Western media can't see through the veneer, it's true that China has vast amounts of eletric vehicle, but it's due in part to the tax cut and subsidies offered, the vehicles are generally of low quality and little effort put in, some look like ugly plastic toys, no real technology edge across-the-board. Some cars are just cobbled together to claim subsidies or even defraud the government, since the subsidies are kind…

Beijing’s plate lottery has separate pools for ICE and EV cars, so if you want to get a car quickly in Beijing best to go with an EV. Even though Tesla doesn’t qualify for subsidies in China, they have been very popular as a non crap option for rich Beijingers who would have gotten an Audi instead.

I’ve ridden in a BYD electric taxi before and it felt like a normal car. As long as it doesn’t explode, I guess.

Re: China ‘Is the Only One in the Race’ to Make Electric Buses, Taxis and Trucks

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Post by est »

cauldron wrote: post #21

Western media can't see through the veneer, it's true that China has vast amounts of eletric vehicle, but it's due in part to the tax cut and subsidies offered, the vehicles are generally of low quality and little effort put in, some look like ugly plastic toys, no real technology edge across-the-board. Some cars are just cobbled together to claim subsidies or even defraud the government, since the subsidies are kind…

New things always came out ugly first isn't it.

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Post by prawn »

cauldron wrote: post #21

Western media can't see through the veneer, it's true that China has vast amounts of eletric vehicle, but it's due in part to the tax cut and subsidies offered, the vehicles are generally of low quality and little effort put in, some look like ugly plastic toys, no real technology edge across-the-board. Some cars are just cobbled together to claim subsidies or even defraud the government, since the subsidies are kind…

"some looks like ugly plastic toys"

I think it was William Gibson who wrote in The Peripheral of cardboard cars?

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