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Re: BitChute Suspended By Patreon

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Post by AnaniasAnanas »

phire wrote: post #58
AnaniasAnanas wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> a far-right reddit clone I was under the impression that voat was created due to censorship that reddit applied on all kinds of things, including anime porn for example. Not exclusively for far-right content. I certainly do not doubt that most of bitchute's or voat's users are far-right however. It only makes sense that the groups that are censored from other platforms move to censorship-free* alternatives. That be…

Reddit only banned anime porn that depicted characters under the age of 18. Regular anime porn is very much still there. There was a lot of scaremongering around the time that voat was launched, the "under 18" part was often left off when people were using that ban in an argument.

Actually it banned anime porn that depicts characters that look under the age of 18, that excludes characters like Oshino Shinobu and most Touhou characters for example. Only a very small minority of anime porn portraits characters that are and look over 18. Saying that Reddit banned anime porn is as correct as saying that a byte is 8 bits: while wrong in theory it is basically true for the vast majority of the CPUs.

Re: BitChute Suspended By Patreon

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Post by ikeboy »

jim-jim-jim wrote: post #39
notafraudster wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

BitChute is a YouTube replacement made for people who are "Very Worried About YouTube's Censorship". It uses WebTorrent for distribution to solve the upfront server costs of running a video service. Cute idea. You might imagine that with how endemic some people allege YouTube's censorship is, there would be a variety of interesting and censored content on BitChute. Which is why when you check the front page you get a…

That's the weird thing about free speech. Any community explicitly built upon it tends to exclusively attract those in _immediate_ need of it: conspiracy theorists and racists for the most part. There's still a (naive?) liberal side to me that thinks free expression, even of profoundly stupid ideas, might be a net good for society, but I don't want to be a part of a community that is innundated with nasty weirdos who…

http://slatestarcodex.com/2015/07/22/freedom-on-the-centrali...

Re: BitChute Suspended By Patreon

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Post by JBiserkov »

jim-jim-jim wrote: post #39
notafraudster wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

BitChute is a YouTube replacement made for people who are "Very Worried About YouTube's Censorship". It uses WebTorrent for distribution to solve the upfront server costs of running a video service. Cute idea. You might imagine that with how endemic some people allege YouTube's censorship is, there would be a variety of interesting and censored content on BitChute. Which is why when you check the front page you get a…

That's the weird thing about free speech. Any community explicitly built upon it tends to exclusively attract those in _immediate_ need of it: conspiracy theorists and racists for the most part. There's still a (naive?) liberal side to me that thinks free expression, even of profoundly stupid ideas, might be a net good for society, but I don't want to be a part of a community that is innundated with nasty weirdos who…

>free expression, even of profoundly stupid ideas, might be a net good for society

It totally is! Stupid ideas are very dangerous. You don't want to hear about them from people with pitchforks at your door.

Re: BitChute Suspended By Patreon

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Post by spookthesunset »

erik_seaberg wrote: post #100
spookthesunset wrote: post #95

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> de-platforming God forbid the vast majority of people in the world don't want to listen to a bunch of racist nut jobs ramble on about various ill founded conspiracy theories.

Maybe they're only burning the bad books, but I wouldn't bet on that.

I don't see any jack booted government goons walking around burning books, do you?

I just see a private company choosing to not do business with another private company. Isn't that what the whole "free market" thing supposed to be about?

Re: BitChute Suspended By Patreon

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Post by _uhtu »

jim-jim-jim wrote: post #39
notafraudster wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

BitChute is a YouTube replacement made for people who are "Very Worried About YouTube's Censorship". It uses WebTorrent for distribution to solve the upfront server costs of running a video service. Cute idea. You might imagine that with how endemic some people allege YouTube's censorship is, there would be a variety of interesting and censored content on BitChute. Which is why when you check the front page you get a…

That's the weird thing about free speech. Any community explicitly built upon it tends to exclusively attract those in _immediate_ need of it: conspiracy theorists and racists for the most part. There's still a (naive?) liberal side to me that thinks free expression, even of profoundly stupid ideas, might be a net good for society, but I don't want to be a part of a community that is innundated with nasty weirdos who…

I agree with this. I believe one of the biggest reasons public opinion switched to support gay marriage so quickly was because of public exposure of extremists like the Westboro Baptist Church. If ideas are that stupid and extreme, it helps people understand the real reality (sometimes at least)

Re: BitChute Suspended By Patreon

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Post by spookthesunset »

CM30 wrote: post #73
notafraudster wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

BitChute is a YouTube replacement made for people who are "Very Worried About YouTube's Censorship". It uses WebTorrent for distribution to solve the upfront server costs of running a video service. Cute idea. You might imagine that with how endemic some people allege YouTube's censorship is, there would be a variety of interesting and censored content on BitChute. Which is why when you check the front page you get a…

It's the same issue any service or platform dedicated to freedom of speech has. The people you find there are the types who get banned or blocked elsewhere for controversial views outside of the mainstream. But hey, that's true of any right protecting service or platform. The initial adopters will usually be the people who need that protection earliest, which often translates to criminals, extremists and nutcases. Se…

> These services just need to attract average Joes with mundane topics as early as possible, and build up communities about non political, non controversial topics as their main priority.

That isn't possible unless you filter out the bullies and nutcases. If you don't filter out those folks, the place will eventually get taken over by them. The irony is, if you filter them out those very same people will cry about "censorship" and "FREE SPEECH".

You can't have Truly True Free Speech on the internet. It is too cheap for a few folks to spoil things for everybody else. In order to keep a good level of discourse, some people, some times, just have to get lose their right to access certain platforms.

I mean, what is spam filtering besides "censorship"? Everybody filters spam... Thriving communities with good, open content have to filter out bullies and troublemakers the same way.

Re: BitChute Suspended By Patreon

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Post by chowells »

smsm42 wrote: post #97
CM30 wrote: post #6

This is a great example of how 'just set up your own platform' may not be the best solution to issues of censorship and what not. Because if you do, then the platforms you need for things like payment processing are also likely to ban your service for much the same reasons as before, and neutral alternatives to them are few and far between. Still, I guess this does provide a good use case for cryptocurrencies and wha…

"Set up your own platform" is actually "set up your own Internet". Because otherwise you'd need DNS, hosting, payment processing, CDN, certificates, etc. And given how rapidly this sphere is politicized and weaponized by people with an ax to grind, if you're doing something that somebody vocal objects to - or allow somebody that does to use your resources - or allow somebody that allows somebody, etc. - then you'd be…

What part of "anyone can force you to do business with them" sounds like freedom to you? Don't payment vendors and hosting platforms have freedom?

Part of freedom is the responsibility to accept consequences of your actions. If you choose to say such vile things that people quit doing business with you, that's just people exercising their freedom. If you think it's unfair, you are valuing your freedom higher than everyone else's.

When you complain about "deplatforming" you aren't asking for more freedom. You're asking for the freedom of others to be removed.

Re: BitChute Suspended By Patreon

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Post by AnaniasAnanas »

jarfil wrote: post #47
AnaniasAnanas wrote: post #40

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> Yes it does No it does not. The principle of free speech says nothing about who you are forced to do or not do business with. It only affects expression after all.

So you agree.

I do not agree with "Yes it does" (and thus that "Free speech means no one is forced to do business with nazis"), I agree with the rest however (which is basically the same as what dmerfield said).

Re: BitChute Suspended By Patreon

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Post by simion314 »

jim-jim-jim wrote: post #39
notafraudster wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

BitChute is a YouTube replacement made for people who are "Very Worried About YouTube's Censorship". It uses WebTorrent for distribution to solve the upfront server costs of running a video service. Cute idea. You might imagine that with how endemic some people allege YouTube's censorship is, there would be a variety of interesting and censored content on BitChute. Which is why when you check the front page you get a…

That's the weird thing about free speech. Any community explicitly built upon it tends to exclusively attract those in _immediate_ need of it: conspiracy theorists and racists for the most part. There's still a (naive?) liberal side to me that thinks free expression, even of profoundly stupid ideas, might be a net good for society, but I don't want to be a part of a community that is innundated with nasty weirdos who…

>There's still a (naive?) liberal side to me that thinks free expression, even of profoundly stupid ideas, might be a net good for society,

I was thinking today about the high costs of the stupid idea of anti-vaccinations, in this case children that are not at fault will die because of this ideas, should we block them or we should put billions of dollars into educating this people instead of using this money for better things.

it is not a black or white problem but in this case I personally think is better to block this idea.

Re: BitChute Suspended By Patreon

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Post by spookthesunset »

smsm42 wrote: post #97
CM30 wrote: post #6

This is a great example of how 'just set up your own platform' may not be the best solution to issues of censorship and what not. Because if you do, then the platforms you need for things like payment processing are also likely to ban your service for much the same reasons as before, and neutral alternatives to them are few and far between. Still, I guess this does provide a good use case for cryptocurrencies and wha…

"Set up your own platform" is actually "set up your own Internet". Because otherwise you'd need DNS, hosting, payment processing, CDN, certificates, etc. And given how rapidly this sphere is politicized and weaponized by people with an ax to grind, if you're doing something that somebody vocal objects to - or allow somebody that does to use your resources - or allow somebody that allows somebody, etc. - then you'd be…

> then you'd better build your own Internet. Because this one is fresh out of freedom

Nobody stole your freedom. People just don't want to interact with you. That is okay though, it is their right to elect to avoid interaction.

Why not just mail out a DVD of all these wacko videos to subscribers instead?

Back when 9/11 conspiracies were still quasi-mainstream, somebody in our neighborhood went door to door and gave every house a copy of Loose Change.

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