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Re: BitChute Suspended By Patreon

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Post by jim-jim-jim »

pbiggar wrote: post #84
jim-jim-jim wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's the weird thing about free speech. Any community explicitly built upon it tends to exclusively attract those in _immediate_ need of it: conspiracy theorists and racists for the most part. There's still a (naive?) liberal side to me that thinks free expression, even of profoundly stupid ideas, might be a net good for society, but I don't want to be a part of a community that is innundated with nasty weirdos who…

> There's still a (naive?) liberal side to me that thinks free expression, even of profoundly stupid ideas, might be a net good for society, Perhaps because the videos that get censored are only shitty to people who aren't you?

You're right about that. It's easy to think in terms of broad morals when you're not a target. It's also why I don't buy liberalism even though I'm defending a liberal practice in this specific instance.

I want to say that it's rooted in practicality rather than idealism. I'm uncomfortable with for-profit entities being arbitrators of acceptable content, because various "divisive" or "extreme" viewpoints outside of racism are threatening to their bottom lines as well. A distributed, censorship-proof network would have the side effect of allowing racism to propogate, but it could also protect viewpoints that lie outside of the stifling pro-market center-right consensus that grips most mainstream media platforms. The problem is that these alternatives only attract assholes for the time being.

It's a definite tradeoff where I can't stand behind any one position definitively yet.

Re: BitChute Suspended By Patreon

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Post by Chris_Chambers »

orf wrote: post #11

As always, seems to be full of right-wing anti-semitism, fake news and outlandish conservative conspiracy theories. Just check the 'popular' tab: "Welcome to "Your" Zionist Occupied Government", "EXPOSED: Jewish Donors Granted "Access To NYPD HQ", "How the Globalists Stole Our Home". All uploaded within the last hour. - https://www.bitchute.com/channel/white-genocide/ - https://www.bitchute.com/channel/zionistreport/…

Platforms are not responsible for user-generated content any more than your phone company is responsible for what you personally say during calls.

Re: BitChute Suspended By Patreon

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Post by netsharc »

jarfil wrote: post #41
colordrops wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are the obvious reasons?

They don't want to become liable for any illegal behavior and end up having to pay a fine. They don't want to be associated with any political stance that might not agree with the vast majority of the population because they want to have as many clients as possible.

"The vast majority of the population" is not always right...

Wasn't there a scandal a few months ago where YouTube was classifying videos talking about LGBTQ issues as adult content, and demonetizing them? https://www.theverge.com/2018/6/4/17424472/youtube-lgbt-demo...

Is/was it the platform maintainers applying their own morals, or is it the money (advertisers) who don't want to be associated with these topics?

The walled gardens are already quite ridiculous, with FB censoring Michaelangelo's David and the Napalm Girl, giving us a kindergarten version of the Internet (although funnily enough, they can't censor fake news, so the "children"'s minds got brainwashed there).

This has turned to a bit of a pointless rambling.

Re: BitChute Suspended By Patreon

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Post by russdpale »

buboard wrote: post #56
beginningguava wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Once upon a time people wondered why people would do online shopping or use credit cards when cash got the job done. Crypto will eventually become the most logical option for most companies, it won't happen over night but it will eventually. Accept payment in any cryptocurrency and then convert them to a stablecoin so you aren't affected by price changes due to speculation

as others have pointed out, the problem of accounting/taxation is important to solve before cryptos can become the cash of the web. and it might not be solvable

Our current financial system has taken 1000 years to formulate into what we know today. People are impatient.

Re: BitChute Suspended By Patreon

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Post by spookthesunset »

to_bpr wrote: post #30
beginningguava wrote: post #3

"just build your own platform" The good news is that the continued censorship will fuel adoption of crypto and speed up the demise of parasitic middlemen who take a cut off every transaction

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> de-platforming

God forbid the vast majority of people in the world don't want to listen to a bunch of racist nut jobs ramble on about various ill founded conspiracy theories.

Re: BitChute Suspended By Patreon

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Post by spookthesunset »

userbinator wrote: post #24
orf wrote: post #11

As always, seems to be full of right-wing anti-semitism, fake news and outlandish conservative conspiracy theories. Just check the 'popular' tab: "Welcome to "Your" Zionist Occupied Government", "EXPOSED: Jewish Donors Granted "Access To NYPD HQ", "How the Globalists Stole Our Home". All uploaded within the last hour. - https://www.bitchute.com/channel/white-genocide/ - https://www.bitchute.com/channel/zionistreport/…

Any service that strongly supports free speech will naturally attract the extremists which have been displaced from elsewhere. Right or left doesn't matter, it's just the result of the current political climate.

> It's just the result of the current political climate.

It has nothing to do with the "political climate". It has everything to do with the fact most people don't want to listen nut-jobs all day. In fact, in a free market it would appear people seem to prefer platforms that banish the nut jobs.

Re: BitChute Suspended By Patreon

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Post by smsm42 »

CM30 wrote: post #6

This is a great example of how 'just set up your own platform' may not be the best solution to issues of censorship and what not. Because if you do, then the platforms you need for things like payment processing are also likely to ban your service for much the same reasons as before, and neutral alternatives to them are few and far between. Still, I guess this does provide a good use case for cryptocurrencies and wha…

"Set up your own platform" is actually "set up your own Internet". Because otherwise you'd need DNS, hosting, payment processing, CDN, certificates, etc. And given how rapidly this sphere is politicized and weaponized by people with an ax to grind, if you're doing something that somebody vocal objects to - or allow somebody that does to use your resources - or allow somebody that allows somebody, etc. - then you'd better build your own Internet. Because this one is fresh out of freedom.

Re: BitChute Suspended By Patreon

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Post by spookthesunset »

CM30 wrote: post #6

This is a great example of how 'just set up your own platform' may not be the best solution to issues of censorship and what not. Because if you do, then the platforms you need for things like payment processing are also likely to ban your service for much the same reasons as before, and neutral alternatives to them are few and far between. Still, I guess this does provide a good use case for cryptocurrencies and wha…

> censorship

Except in this case it isn't censorship. Nobody can be forced to do business with BitChute if they don't want to. That is just as much of a right as anything else.

BitChute is still more than able to host all the trash it wants. They will just have to find another payment provider. And they do exist. I mean, porn sites manage to figure out how to collect payment. It's expensive as hell because people constantly chargeback porn and virtually every porn hoster is sketchy as fuck too.

Even then they could just get a PO box and have people mail in checks or hell, even cash. It might be old school, but that is how it was done back when all the wackos and conspiracy newsletters were actual things you got in the mail.

Re: BitChute Suspended By Patreon

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Post by smsm42 »

jim-jim-jim wrote: post #39
notafraudster wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

BitChute is a YouTube replacement made for people who are "Very Worried About YouTube's Censorship". It uses WebTorrent for distribution to solve the upfront server costs of running a video service. Cute idea. You might imagine that with how endemic some people allege YouTube's censorship is, there would be a variety of interesting and censored content on BitChute. Which is why when you check the front page you get a…

That's the weird thing about free speech. Any community explicitly built upon it tends to exclusively attract those in _immediate_ need of it: conspiracy theorists and racists for the most part. There's still a (naive?) liberal side to me that thinks free expression, even of profoundly stupid ideas, might be a net good for society, but I don't want to be a part of a community that is innundated with nasty weirdos who…

Nobody forces anybody to be part of that community. And, frankly, neither Youtube nor Patreon not any other giant platforms are any kind of "community" anyway. Youtube is not a community, it's just a communication medium by now. It's like talking about community of people speaking English and trying to ban bad people from using the language (fortunately not yet possible, but if it were?)

Re: BitChute Suspended By Patreon

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Post by erik_seaberg »

spookthesunset wrote: post #95
to_bpr wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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> de-platforming God forbid the vast majority of people in the world don't want to listen to a bunch of racist nut jobs ramble on about various ill founded conspiracy theories.

Maybe they're only burning the bad books, but I wouldn't bet on that.
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