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Re: BitChute Suspended By Patreon

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Post by notahacker »

beginningguava wrote: post #38
notafraudster wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

BitChute is a YouTube replacement made for people who are "Very Worried About YouTube's Censorship". It uses WebTorrent for distribution to solve the upfront server costs of running a video service. Cute idea. You might imagine that with how endemic some people allege YouTube's censorship is, there would be a variety of interesting and censored content on BitChute. Which is why when you check the front page you get a…

Regardless of what it is now you should be happy it exists, look at present day Turkey and 1960s Iran to see how fast freedoms can be stripped by changes in government. Tomorrow it could be leftists being censored. The Communist Control Act is still around in the US, just hasn't been enforced. There's effectively nothing to stop Trump from calling his enemies communists and throwing them in jail and with his stacked…

First they came for the Gab, and... I was actually pretty pleased because I didn't think the sort of web host that would stand behind forums run by the sort of people that gloated about how many hits their association with a synagogue shooting brought them were actually potential allies in fighting fascism...

Bitchute isn't the home of people posting Trump critiques. It's the home of people explaining why all criticisms of Trump must be dismissed as conspiracies initiated by the real enemy: Jewish New World Order reptilians https://www.bitchute.com/hashtag/trump/

Re: BitChute Suspended By Patreon

#82

Post by blancheneige »

notafraudster wrote: post #17
Joeboy wrote: post #10

Would anybody like to fill us in on what BitChute is, in theory and / or in practice?

BitChute is a YouTube replacement made for people who are "Very Worried About YouTube's Censorship". It uses WebTorrent for distribution to solve the upfront server costs of running a video service. Cute idea. You might imagine that with how endemic some people allege YouTube's censorship is, there would be a variety of interesting and censored content on BitChute. Which is why when you check the front page you get a…

>conspiracy theories about the Mueller investigation

Surely you meant the actual conspiracy theory Mueller is investigating?

Re: BitChute Suspended By Patreon

#83

Post by blancheneige »

jim-jim-jim wrote: post #39
notafraudster wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

BitChute is a YouTube replacement made for people who are "Very Worried About YouTube's Censorship". It uses WebTorrent for distribution to solve the upfront server costs of running a video service. Cute idea. You might imagine that with how endemic some people allege YouTube's censorship is, there would be a variety of interesting and censored content on BitChute. Which is why when you check the front page you get a…

That's the weird thing about free speech. Any community explicitly built upon it tends to exclusively attract those in _immediate_ need of it: conspiracy theorists and racists for the most part. There's still a (naive?) liberal side to me that thinks free expression, even of profoundly stupid ideas, might be a net good for society, but I don't want to be a part of a community that is innundated with nasty weirdos who…

Seen differently, you may also notice that liberal discourse can only thrive under censorship.

Re: BitChute Suspended By Patreon

#84

Post by pbiggar »

jim-jim-jim wrote: post #39
notafraudster wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

BitChute is a YouTube replacement made for people who are "Very Worried About YouTube's Censorship". It uses WebTorrent for distribution to solve the upfront server costs of running a video service. Cute idea. You might imagine that with how endemic some people allege YouTube's censorship is, there would be a variety of interesting and censored content on BitChute. Which is why when you check the front page you get a…

That's the weird thing about free speech. Any community explicitly built upon it tends to exclusively attract those in _immediate_ need of it: conspiracy theorists and racists for the most part. There's still a (naive?) liberal side to me that thinks free expression, even of profoundly stupid ideas, might be a net good for society, but I don't want to be a part of a community that is innundated with nasty weirdos who…

> There's still a (naive?) liberal side to me that thinks free expression, even of profoundly stupid ideas, might be a net good for society,

Perhaps because the videos that get censored are only shitty to people who aren't you?

Re: BitChute Suspended By Patreon

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Post by a1369209993 »

notahacker wrote: post #81
beginningguava wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Regardless of what it is now you should be happy it exists, look at present day Turkey and 1960s Iran to see how fast freedoms can be stripped by changes in government. Tomorrow it could be leftists being censored. The Communist Control Act is still around in the US, just hasn't been enforced. There's effectively nothing to stop Trump from calling his enemies communists and throwing them in jail and with his stacked…

First they came for the Gab, and... I was actually pretty pleased because I didn't think the sort of web host that would stand behind forums run by the sort of people that gloated about how many hits their association with a synagogue shooting brought them were actually potential allies in fighting fascism... Bitchute isn't the home of people posting Trump critiques. It's the home of people explaining why all critici…

The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that there's a inexaustable supply of blatantly evil assholes for oppressive laws to be first aimed at and establish precedent against; by the time they come for you, everyone is too desensitised to care.

Re: BitChute Suspended By Patreon

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Post by 8nd9rfi »

notahacker wrote: post #81
beginningguava wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Regardless of what it is now you should be happy it exists, look at present day Turkey and 1960s Iran to see how fast freedoms can be stripped by changes in government. Tomorrow it could be leftists being censored. The Communist Control Act is still around in the US, just hasn't been enforced. There's effectively nothing to stop Trump from calling his enemies communists and throwing them in jail and with his stacked…

First they came for the Gab, and... I was actually pretty pleased because I didn't think the sort of web host that would stand behind forums run by the sort of people that gloated about how many hits their association with a synagogue shooting brought them were actually potential allies in fighting fascism... Bitchute isn't the home of people posting Trump critiques. It's the home of people explaining why all critici…

It's ironic that you are alluding to the quote by pastor Martin Niemöller that was making a point completely opposite to yours. Free speech is not about protecting popular opinions. I cannot believe how many comments hostile to free speech are on this thread. It's almost like people are begging for oppression.

Re: BitChute Suspended By Patreon

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Post by notahacker »

8nd9rfi wrote: post #86
notahacker wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First they came for the Gab, and... I was actually pretty pleased because I didn't think the sort of web host that would stand behind forums run by the sort of people that gloated about how many hits their association with a synagogue shooting brought them were actually potential allies in fighting fascism... Bitchute isn't the home of people posting Trump critiques. It's the home of people explaining why all critici…

It's ironic that you are alluding to the quote by pastor Martin Niemöller that was making a point completely opposite to yours. Free speech is not about protecting popular opinions. I cannot believe how many comments hostile to free speech are on this thread. It's almost like people are begging for oppression.

I have a sneaking suspicion that Niemöller was admonishing his past self and German intellectuals in general for thinking Naziism was something that could be accommodated and compromised with if it didn't affect them directly, not admonishing those corporations that declined to publish their propaganda...

Re: BitChute Suspended By Patreon

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Post by otterley »

kingofhdds wrote: post #45
jarfil wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes it does. Free speech means not stopping Nazis from expressing themselves, it doesn't mean you have to help them express themselves. If you want to express something I don't like, then I'm not gonna try to silence you, but other than that you're on your own.

In general, you are right (excluding the usage of word "Nazi"): private entity can deny services to other entity. However, in legal practice there are exceptions to to the rule, e.g. when the entity which denies is a monopoly (even locally defined), or services are too essential. I'm not in position to decide if it applies to the situation described, but worth keeping in mind that there are limits.

There are no common carriers on the Internet at Layer 7 AFAIK.

Re: BitChute Suspended By Patreon

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Post by Yetanfou »

cookiecaper wrote: post #33

The problem with any platform that bills itself as "uncensorable" is that it will always attract the people that everyone else wants to keep as far away from them as possible. The repulsion people feel for those "deplorables", for lack of a better term, easily and automatically transfers to any platform that appears to tolerate them. For this type of platform to succeed it must focus on self-replication rather than t…

> If someone really cared, they'd run the most blase service on top of such technology and actively kick off anyone slightly controversial.

You'd first have to define controversial, a difficult task when dealing with the 'net:

* Communism - fine in Sweden, frowned upon in former Soviet satellite states

* Marihuana - forbidden in Sweden, allowed in Canada and parts of the US, tolerated in the Netherlands

* Women in revealing clothing - fine in western Europe, forbidden in islamic countries (for a recent example see [1])

* Antisemitism - forbidden in most of western Europe, daily fare on TV in many islamic countries

* ...

This list goes on, where do you draw the line? It would end up being a very bland service when everyone who is even slightly controversial is kicked off. So bland, actually, that the service would never obtain mainstream acceptance.

[1] https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/12/01/egyptian-actress... - not exactly revealing to 'western' standards, enough for 5 years in prison according to the Egyptian prosecutor

Re: BitChute Suspended By Patreon

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Post by Chris_Chambers »

ComputerGuru wrote: post #36

I don't understand why BitChute can't moderate how the site itself appears to the casual viewer without sacrificing Free Speech. Free Speech does not mean they have to promote the content that is uploaded, only that they do not censor it. Allow conspiracy theorists and extremists (right or left) to post what they want.. but you don't have to feature all recent uploads on the front page. You actually don't have to fea…

If it bothers you so much then you should just leave it and build your own platform.
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