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Re: BitChute Suspended By Patreon

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Post by mikeash »

ballenf wrote: post #46
notafraudster wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

BitChute is a YouTube replacement made for people who are "Very Worried About YouTube's Censorship". It uses WebTorrent for distribution to solve the upfront server costs of running a video service. Cute idea. You might imagine that with how endemic some people allege YouTube's censorship is, there would be a variety of interesting and censored content on BitChute. Which is why when you check the front page you get a…

Sounds like the early days of YouTube, Reddit and others. Fringe groups are always the first to seize on new platforms where they can get in front of new eyeballs and aren’t yet drowned out by quality or truthful content. I don’t think it’s fair to compare the content on a startup platform to a well-established corporate behemoth. That being said I checked out bitchute for videos on fringe chemistry demonstrations th…

Sounds like YouTube right now if my recommendations are to be believed.

I don’t know why YouTube thinks I want to watch nutcase conspiracy theorists and alt-right whackjobs and compilations of “SJWs getting owned” but it seems to have plenty of them to show me.

Re: BitChute Suspended By Patreon

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Post by raverbashing »

ballenf wrote: post #46
notafraudster wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

BitChute is a YouTube replacement made for people who are "Very Worried About YouTube's Censorship". It uses WebTorrent for distribution to solve the upfront server costs of running a video service. Cute idea. You might imagine that with how endemic some people allege YouTube's censorship is, there would be a variety of interesting and censored content on BitChute. Which is why when you check the front page you get a…

Sounds like the early days of YouTube, Reddit and others. Fringe groups are always the first to seize on new platforms where they can get in front of new eyeballs and aren’t yet drowned out by quality or truthful content. I don’t think it’s fair to compare the content on a startup platform to a well-established corporate behemoth. That being said I checked out bitchute for videos on fringe chemistry demonstrations th…

I'd argue that "early adopters" are not the same as fringe groups. There's an important distinction.

As an extreme example, it would be the same as saying 4chan and voat attracted the same type of users in the beginning (as much as 4chan involves some fringe groups)

Corollary: a known, named extremism will have an opposite extremism that can be as bad as the thing it purports to oppose, though it will operate in an orthogonal way and it might not be always have a specific name.

Re: BitChute Suspended By Patreon

#53

Post by raverbashing »

beginningguava wrote: post #3

"just build your own platform" The good news is that the continued censorship will fuel adoption of crypto and speed up the demise of parasitic middlemen who take a cut off every transaction

Bitcoin is busy shooting themselves in the foot. Can't wait for a better alternative to really take off.

Re: BitChute Suspended By Patreon

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Post by pixxel »

beginningguava wrote: post #25
buboard wrote: post #7

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wishful thinking, unfortunately

Once upon a time people wondered why people would do online shopping or use credit cards when cash got the job done. Crypto will eventually become the most logical option for most companies, it won't happen over night but it will eventually. Accept payment in any cryptocurrency and then convert them to a stablecoin so you aren't affected by price changes due to speculation

Indeed. I think credit cards took some 40 years to become mainstream.

Re: BitChute Suspended By Patreon

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Post by jstanley »

cookiecaper wrote: post #33

The problem with any platform that bills itself as "uncensorable" is that it will always attract the people that everyone else wants to keep as far away from them as possible. The repulsion people feel for those "deplorables", for lack of a better term, easily and automatically transfers to any platform that appears to tolerate them. For this type of platform to succeed it must focus on self-replication rather than t…

> If someone really cared, they'd run the most blase service on top of such technology and actively kick off anyone slightly controversial.

What's the appeal to users of a more inconvenient version of YouTube that has even more draconian moderation policies?

The appeal of BitChute is precisely its lack of censorship.

Re: BitChute Suspended By Patreon

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Post by buboard »

beginningguava wrote: post #25
buboard wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

wishful thinking, unfortunately

Once upon a time people wondered why people would do online shopping or use credit cards when cash got the job done. Crypto will eventually become the most logical option for most companies, it won't happen over night but it will eventually. Accept payment in any cryptocurrency and then convert them to a stablecoin so you aren't affected by price changes due to speculation

as others have pointed out, the problem of accounting/taxation is important to solve before cryptos can become the cash of the web. and it might not be solvable

Re: BitChute Suspended By Patreon

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Post by jstanley »

ComputerGuru wrote: post #32
jarfil wrote: post #27

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Yes it does. Free speech means not stopping Nazis from expressing themselves, it doesn't mean you have to help them express themselves. If you want to express something I don't like, then I'm not gonna try to silence you, but other than that you're on your own.

> Yes it does. Free speech means not stopping Nazis from expressing themselves, it doesn't mean you have to help them express themselves. I'm sorry, but I don't see where @dmerfield says what you are arguing against. Quoting @dmerfild for posterity: > No it doesn’t. Free speech means allowing nazis to express themselves so you and others can understand nazism. --- Interestingly, in most of Europe, "Free Speech" does…

Right, but the "Ministry of Truth" isn't about truth either.

Actual free speech would, quite obviously, not depend on the content of the speech.

Re: BitChute Suspended By Patreon

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Post by phire »

AnaniasAnanas wrote: post #31
notafraudster wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

BitChute is a YouTube replacement made for people who are "Very Worried About YouTube's Censorship". It uses WebTorrent for distribution to solve the upfront server costs of running a video service. Cute idea. You might imagine that with how endemic some people allege YouTube's censorship is, there would be a variety of interesting and censored content on BitChute. Which is why when you check the front page you get a…

> a far-right reddit clone I was under the impression that voat was created due to censorship that reddit applied on all kinds of things, including anime porn for example. Not exclusively for far-right content. I certainly do not doubt that most of bitchute's or voat's users are far-right however. It only makes sense that the groups that are censored from other platforms move to censorship-free* alternatives. That be…

Reddit only banned anime porn that depicted characters under the age of 18. Regular anime porn is very much still there.

There was a lot of scaremongering around the time that voat was launched, the "under 18" part was often left off when people were using that ban in an argument.

Re: BitChute Suspended By Patreon

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Post by IAmEveryone »

AnaniasAnanas wrote: post #31
notafraudster wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

BitChute is a YouTube replacement made for people who are "Very Worried About YouTube's Censorship". It uses WebTorrent for distribution to solve the upfront server costs of running a video service. Cute idea. You might imagine that with how endemic some people allege YouTube's censorship is, there would be a variety of interesting and censored content on BitChute. Which is why when you check the front page you get a…

> a far-right reddit clone I was under the impression that voat was created due to censorship that reddit applied on all kinds of things, including anime porn for example. Not exclusively for far-right content. I certainly do not doubt that most of bitchute's or voat's users are far-right however. It only makes sense that the groups that are censored from other platforms move to censorship-free* alternatives. That be…

Well, your impression was wrong. Goat was created by racists and sexists to be racist and sexist and anti-semitic. If they fooled you with a veneer of grandios cries of all-caps censorship than you are easily fooled, or willfully ignorant.

Re: BitChute Suspended By Patreon

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Post by jim-jim-jim »

jstanley wrote: post #50
jim-jim-jim wrote: post #49

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I don't want to participate at all. What I'm saying is that I'm pro free speech and decentralization, but if all the content is just racist shit, then what draw does the community have for me in the first place? Assuming the motivations behind them are genuine (a big assumption), then there's nothing inherently wrong with BitChute, Voat, Gab, etc. But the actual content on these platforms is the polar opposite of the…

I don't see why the "contradiction" needs to be addressed. If you want to publish non-racist videos, you can publish them on BitChute without endorsing the racist videos.

I don't publish videos. I watch them. I'm not gonna bother flipping through 90% nonsense on the off chance there's something interesting available. There's nothing technical that prevents sane people from uploading videos on BitChute, but there's not as strong as an incentive for them to do so.

The platforms are fundamentally good ideas. There just needs to be a way to bootstrap a diverse community before they're killed in the cradle by angry nerds.

To observe the ideological flipside of this conundrum, I invite you to browse many Mastodon instances, where discourse is driven by the most unbearable carelords imaginable.

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