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Re: BitChute Suspended By Patreon

#41
post #8

Pretty sure they were banned for taking on a public political stance supporting disinformation peddlers like Alex Jones. Payment processers don't want to be associated with this kind of content for obvious reasons.

What are the obvious reasons?

They don't want to become liable for any illegal behavior and end up having to pay a fine.

They don't want to be associated with any political stance that might not agree with the vast majority of the population because they want to have as many clients as possible.

Re: BitChute Suspended By Patreon

#42

"just build your own platform" The good news is that the continued censorship will fuel adoption of crypto and speed up the demise of parasitic middlemen who take a cut off every transaction

Unfortunately it is not clear that crypto will be able to prevent this. To allow for participation from people in the legacy economy, at some point an exchange between cash and crypto must be made. This is the weak point that can be easily attacked by governments and the banking oligarchy. Additionally, if disfavored entities begin using crypto and thriving on it, the government will simply find an excuse to sieze it under money laundering or terrorism laws, or will make something else up on the spot. Look at what happened to the Liberty Dollar for an example of what can happen to alt currencies when they start to gain real traction.

Remember, all that you have to do is make alt currencies inconvenient enough to use for normal payment needs, and this will discourage people from getting involved. Lower participation deprives the alt economy of goods, services, and the ability to exchange currency for "real" cash.

That doesn't mean that crypto is totally useless, just pointing out that there is not a technical "silver bullet" solution to this problem. Technical solutions must be part of the answer, but these must be backed by political force.

Re: BitChute Suspended By Patreon

#43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

BitChute is a YouTube replacement made for people who are "Very Worried About YouTube's Censorship". It uses WebTorrent for distribution to solve the upfront server costs of running a video service. Cute idea. You might imagine that with how endemic some people allege YouTube's censorship is, there would be a variety of interesting and censored content on BitChute. Which is why when you check the front page you get a…

That's the weird thing about free speech. Any community explicitly built upon it tends to exclusively attract those in _immediate_ need of it: conspiracy theorists and racists for the most part. There's still a (naive?) liberal side to me that thinks free expression, even of profoundly stupid ideas, might be a net good for society, but I don't want to be a part of a community that is innundated with nasty weirdos who…

That's why you want to participate under a different pseudonym. If you're OK with participating at all, that is.

Re: BitChute Suspended By Patreon

#44
post #27

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Yes it does. Free speech means not stopping Nazis from expressing themselves, it doesn't mean you have to help them express themselves. If you want to express something I don't like, then I'm not gonna try to silence you, but other than that you're on your own.

> Yes it does. Free speech means not stopping Nazis from expressing themselves, it doesn't mean you have to help them express themselves. I'm sorry, but I don't see where @dmerfield says what you are arguing against. Quoting @dmerfild for posterity: > No it doesn’t. Free speech means allowing nazis to express themselves so you and others can understand nazism. --- Interestingly, in most of Europe, "Free Speech" does…

Let's also quote @empath75 which @dmerfild is answering to:

> Free speech means no one is forced to do business with nazis.

Re: BitChute Suspended By Patreon

#45
post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No it doesn’t. Free speech means allowing nazis to express themselves so you and others can understand nazism. If you’re genuinely interested in understanding the principle of free speech, I recommend this as an introduction: https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/freedom-speech/

Yes it does. Free speech means not stopping Nazis from expressing themselves, it doesn't mean you have to help them express themselves. If you want to express something I don't like, then I'm not gonna try to silence you, but other than that you're on your own.

In general, you are right (excluding the usage of word "Nazi"): private entity can deny services to other entity. However, in legal practice there are exceptions to to the rule, e.g. when the entity which denies is a monopoly (even locally defined), or services are too essential. I'm not in position to decide if it applies to the situation described, but worth keeping in mind that there are limits.

Re: BitChute Suspended By Patreon

#46
post #10

Would anybody like to fill us in on what BitChute is, in theory and / or in practice?

BitChute is a YouTube replacement made for people who are "Very Worried About YouTube's Censorship". It uses WebTorrent for distribution to solve the upfront server costs of running a video service. Cute idea. You might imagine that with how endemic some people allege YouTube's censorship is, there would be a variety of interesting and censored content on BitChute. Which is why when you check the front page you get a…

Sounds like the early days of YouTube, Reddit and others. Fringe groups are always the first to seize on new platforms where they can get in front of new eyeballs and aren’t yet drowned out by quality or truthful content.

I don’t think it’s fair to compare the content on a startup platform to a well-established corporate behemoth.

That being said I checked out bitchute for videos on fringe chemistry demonstrations that wouldn’t survive on YouTube. Some pretty cool stuff in that category. But still haven’t been back there because the production values of most are just terrible and painful to watch.

Re: BitChute Suspended By Patreon

#47
post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes it does. Free speech means not stopping Nazis from expressing themselves, it doesn't mean you have to help them express themselves. If you want to express something I don't like, then I'm not gonna try to silence you, but other than that you're on your own.

> Yes it does No it does not. The principle of free speech says nothing about who you are forced to do or not do business with. It only affects expression after all.

So you agree.

Re: BitChute Suspended By Patreon

#48
post #10

Would anybody like to fill us in on what BitChute is, in theory and / or in practice?

BitChute is a YouTube replacement made for people who are "Very Worried About YouTube's Censorship". It uses WebTorrent for distribution to solve the upfront server costs of running a video service. Cute idea. You might imagine that with how endemic some people allege YouTube's censorship is, there would be a variety of interesting and censored content on BitChute. Which is why when you check the front page you get a…

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Re: BitChute Suspended By Patreon

#49
post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's the weird thing about free speech. Any community explicitly built upon it tends to exclusively attract those in _immediate_ need of it: conspiracy theorists and racists for the most part. There's still a (naive?) liberal side to me that thinks free expression, even of profoundly stupid ideas, might be a net good for society, but I don't want to be a part of a community that is innundated with nasty weirdos who…

That's why you want to participate under a different pseudonym. If you're OK with participating at all, that is.

I don't want to participate at all. What I'm saying is that I'm pro free speech and decentralization, but if all the content is just racist shit, then what draw does the community have for me in the first place?

Assuming the motivations behind them are genuine (a big assumption), then there's nothing inherently wrong with BitChute, Voat, Gab, etc. But the actual content on these platforms is the polar opposite of the "diversity of thought" they claim to promote. That may not necessarily even be the site owners' faults (again: a very generous assumption), but a set of circumstances that arises from who actually takes advantage of "free speech" in practice.

I don't have any good answer for how to address that contradiction.

Re: BitChute Suspended By Patreon

#50
post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's why you want to participate under a different pseudonym. If you're OK with participating at all, that is.

I don't want to participate at all. What I'm saying is that I'm pro free speech and decentralization, but if all the content is just racist shit, then what draw does the community have for me in the first place? Assuming the motivations behind them are genuine (a big assumption), then there's nothing inherently wrong with BitChute, Voat, Gab, etc. But the actual content on these platforms is the polar opposite of the…

I don't see why the "contradiction" needs to be addressed.

If you want to publish non-racist videos, you can publish them on BitChute without endorsing the racist videos.

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